War with Russia
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Mugshot
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Johnno260
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I mean the Donbas region is rich in shale gas, they already took Crimea a huge chunk of coastline and with it the coastal oil and gas rights, a decent sized Black Sea port city and shipyards.
Letting Russia take land for reasons when they want is a bad precedence, what next Moldova as it has a separatist region to the east as well called Transnistria?
Johnno260
Regular
Sorry what?
Russia didn’t want it to work as they sponsored and armed separatists, they were looking for any pretext entry.
So Putin is there to remove military targets his words so they shell apartment blocks.
View: https://twitter.com/abdujalil/status/1498277815438888964?s=21
Let’s not forget cluster munitions over a school.
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-re...-child-and-two-other-civilians-taking-shelter
RecordAceFromNew
Member
For some truly thought provoking facts and (rhetoric) questions on the subject, the horse's mouth is hard to beat - Jack Matlock, whose career in Moscow spanned 30 years culminating as US Ambassador during the last 4 years of the USSR in 1991, has recently written his thoughts here, it takes more time but you can also watch the video below.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5F0JSy-HHY
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5F0JSy-HHY
Ian H
Legendary Member
Refraining from being deliberately antagonistic is not the same as appeasement.
Moodyman
Member
The renowned US scholar John Mearsheimer said the same. In 2014, he lay the blame (for the Ukraine mess) firmly on the West, namely USA.
As far back as 2007-08, Putin warned Bush Jr that if they insist on pushing eastwards, Ukraine will "cease to exist".
It's because of these warnings that France and Germany refused to endorse EU and Nato membership to Ukraine. Yet, under Obama and now, Biden, the US continued its policy of poking the bear.
The troop build up did not start in December 21. The build up commenced in Spring 2021. Putin was hoping his show of force would persuade Biden to get Ukraine to abide by the Minsk agreement. The French and the Germans were pushing Zelensky extensively, but the US felt Putin was bluffing.
The result of this policy are before us.
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Moodyman
Member
Precisely. France and Germany were pushing Zelensky to abide by Minsk, but Zelensky was emboldened by Anglo/American support and declined repeatedly.
Moodyman
Member
Pretty much every observing body has said Russia abided by the Minsk agreement since 2014. It was Ukraine that didn't and refused to do so.
Moodyman
Member
He's bang on. Ukraine reneged on a central tenet of the agreement: the incorporation of the Donbas back into Ukraine with a degree of autonomy. They argued that Donbas was not going to get the special provisions previously agreed. The US wanted to revise the Minsk agreement in support of the Ukrainian position. The UK just followed the US, like they always do.
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Mr Celine
Well-Known Member
You'll have more time for other activities.
May I suggest a trip to Salisbury? The cathedral with its 123m spire is apparently worth a visit.
newfhouse
pleb
With your track record of copy-pasting obvious conspiracy nonsense I’m not sure why I should trust your judgement on this.
Hitchington
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This bullying excuse of a human being has a bitter cold stone for a heart. She represents the modern Tory party of bastards who would eat their own children if it got them votes.
slowmotion
Active Member
........meanwhile.........
here's something practical that those living in London might like to do to help Ukrainians. It did occur to me yesterday that this email might be a scam. The grim atmosphere at Ukrainian House in Holland Park this morning dispelled all my doubts.
Dear friends in London, I need your help for my country and its brave people. We are collecting urgently needed supplies for refugees and those affected by the war in Ukraine. if you have any of the items listed and don't need them or can share, please donate. They will be delivered to Ukraine by volunteers in a few days, quicker than Red Cross or other large NGOs can get there. There are several addresses below that take donations
URGENTLY NEEDED
- power banks (for charging phones)
- large and medium size backpacks
- male socks
- camping mats
- sleeping bags
- protein bars / energy bars
- painkillers (e.g. ibuprofen)
- anti-flu medicine(Lemsips etc))
- wound dressing materials
- first aid kit
- warm blankets
- thermals/base layers
- hot water bottles
- insulated flasks
- baby food
- nappies
- feminine sanitary products
Note: we are not collecting clothes as there is sufficient supply at this stage
Many thanks for your kindness in these dark hours
Collection points:
HOLLAND PARK:
Ukrainian House
154 Holland Park Avenue
W11 4UH
TWICKENHAM:
Prosperity Restaurant
59 York Street, TW1 3LP
07853514567
Tuesday: 11am - 6pm
Wednesday-Saturday: 11am - 9pm
Sunday 12am - 9pm
STRATFORD:
Restaurant XIX
369 Hight Street
E15 4QZ
Daily 9am - 22pm
Maria - 07561322029
LEYTONSTONE:
Former Ussr Retail Shop
679-691 High Road Leyton,
E10 6RA
Ask for Vadim
HOUNSLOW:
Former Ussr Retail Shop
79-83 High Street Hounslow, TW3 1RB
Ask for Valeriy
BARKING:
Ussr Barking Warehouse
Unit 8 Banksidepark Industrial Estate,
28 Thames Road, Essex,
here's something practical that those living in London might like to do to help Ukrainians. It did occur to me yesterday that this email might be a scam. The grim atmosphere at Ukrainian House in Holland Park this morning dispelled all my doubts.
Dear friends in London, I need your help for my country and its brave people. We are collecting urgently needed supplies for refugees and those affected by the war in Ukraine. if you have any of the items listed and don't need them or can share, please donate. They will be delivered to Ukraine by volunteers in a few days, quicker than Red Cross or other large NGOs can get there. There are several addresses below that take donations
URGENTLY NEEDED
- power banks (for charging phones)
- large and medium size backpacks
- male socks
- camping mats
- sleeping bags
- protein bars / energy bars
- painkillers (e.g. ibuprofen)
- anti-flu medicine(Lemsips etc))
- wound dressing materials
- first aid kit
- warm blankets
- thermals/base layers
- hot water bottles
- insulated flasks
- baby food
- nappies
- feminine sanitary products
Note: we are not collecting clothes as there is sufficient supply at this stage
Many thanks for your kindness in these dark hours
Collection points:
HOLLAND PARK:
Ukrainian House
154 Holland Park Avenue
W11 4UH
TWICKENHAM:
Prosperity Restaurant
59 York Street, TW1 3LP
07853514567
Tuesday: 11am - 6pm
Wednesday-Saturday: 11am - 9pm
Sunday 12am - 9pm
STRATFORD:
Restaurant XIX
369 Hight Street
E15 4QZ
Daily 9am - 22pm
Maria - 07561322029
LEYTONSTONE:
Former Ussr Retail Shop
679-691 High Road Leyton,
E10 6RA
Ask for Vadim
HOUNSLOW:
Former Ussr Retail Shop
79-83 High Street Hounslow, TW3 1RB
Ask for Valeriy
BARKING:
Ussr Barking Warehouse
Unit 8 Banksidepark Industrial Estate,
28 Thames Road, Essex,
glasgowcyclist
Über Member
https://www.redcross.org.uk/stories...es/world/ukraine-red-cross-response-in-europe
Teams have also provided first aid training to 1,000 people in metro stations and bomb shelters, and are supporting fire fighters, medical and civil protection units. "
Anyone who wants to help the Red Cross in Ukraine with a donation can do so here..
https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
Ukrainian Red Cross's work on the ground
"Ukrainian Red Cross volunteers are reaching as many people as possible, distributing 30,000 food and hygiene parcels so far, and helping evacuate people with disabilities.Teams have also provided first aid training to 1,000 people in metro stations and bomb shelters, and are supporting fire fighters, medical and civil protection units. "
Anyone who wants to help the Red Cross in Ukraine with a donation can do so here..
https://donate.redcross.org.uk/appeal/ukraine-crisis-appeal
