HMS_Dave
Regular
It was useful during the pandemic.
War with Russia
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It was useful during the pandemic.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
I stand by what i said earlier however we have had elections in the US and in that light my analaysis Russia will now gets what it wants is based upon. i again also add that i don't think it will be a lasting solution. I thin Russia will attack again if Trump leaves office.
You post are indeed good evidence of that.
Pretty useless if nobody wants to replace dollar with yen as they tried multiple times. But if you are an repressive movement you can build all kind of stuff and tell your population to breed,(they have nothing else to do other then work anyway) do you want a slow clap for that?
A discussion like this wouldn't be possible they are told the govement knowns what's good for them. So if this government would do the same you would be jailed.
Whilst for your pitch for USSR/RPC tyranny would be great by means of how you are defending every step, however in the real world things are a little bit different and no i'm not saying the world before or after trump is a great place but if you listen to people who actually where born in China and escaped that hell romanticizing repression like you do isn't the answer either.
It's still better to live in a free world. so we can vote idiots in power like Trump, Starmer, Cameron, Biden, Johnson etc. (and yes i mis a few recent tories because they got into power by party votes not elections.
My impression is that Russia doesn't want any ceasefire but rather to continue fighting. Seems to me Trump has just told Russia how to achieve their "no ceasefire, continue fighting". Trump's "if for some reason, one of the two parties makes it very difficult, we’re just going to say you’re foolish. You are fools, you horrible people. And we’re going to just take a pass" tells Russia all it has to do is be difficult and it will get its way.
Highlights what a bad negotiator Trump is, how useless he is at making deals. Initially without any expertise he gave away any cards he had (eg no NATO membership for Ukraine) before negotiations had even started. Then he started singing Russia's side of the story and attacking Ukraine. Now it's apparent he's out of his depth and so he's wanting to just walk away. Just like his North Korea efforts or his Afghanistan efforts.
Ian
Highlights what a bad negotiator Trump is, how useless he is at making deals. Initially without any expertise he gave away any cards he had (eg no NATO membership for Ukraine) before negotiations had even started. Then he started singing Russia's side of the story and attacking Ukraine. Now it's apparent he's out of his depth and so he's wanting to just walk away. Just like his North Korea efforts or his Afghanistan efforts.
Ian
I'd say he's out of his depth with anything above a NY real estate deal, and even that is debatable.
briantrumpet
Active Member
He seems to think just by repeating his catchphrase "We have all the cards; they don't have any cards" that it must be true, no matter what the situation is. As he'd already revealed his hand to both Putin and Zelenskyy, and only left a few chips on the table, it doesn't really matter what he says now... as US journalists say, he's just 'bloviating', which is a slightly less useful course of action than farting, as at least that brings a bit of relief (if only to the farter, and not the fartees).
After the grief he (and Vance) gave Zelenskyy to not decide he [Trump] really doesn't have any ability to negotiate a ceasefire, really doesn't have the leverage over Putin, surprised he [Trump] can live that down.
Except most knowledgeable commentators seem to think US could stop the war very quickly without giving away Ukraine through use of very punitive sanctions on Russia.
Given earlier rumours of Trump wanting a Nobel Peace Prize ('cos Obama got one), I wonder if he now realises he won't likely even be on the shortlist given the weapons he's providing and allowing to be used against Palestinian civilians.
Ian
I think Trump's has multiple motives. He seems to want a Nobel Peace Prize (I suspect because Obama got one) and Ukraine the only war he seems to prepared to try and influence. That his ongoing support from bombing and killing civilians in Palestine should keep him off any shortlist seems beyond his comprehension.
He seems to want to stop providing Ukraine with any support, just to take their natural resources. From Ukraine's perspective they lose US support either way as war continues and Trump will walk away or ceasefire and US will walk away. But ceasefire conceding land and with Putin just using the pause to rearm ready for the sequel "Phase 2: What I wanted to take".
If Trump does walk away it will further alienate US allies in Europe - but he probably won't notice or worry about that.
Ian
Beebo
Guru
Well it appears that the USA have now totally given up.
They have indicated that they have no wish to stop Russia and Ukraine can suck it up.
A complete failure of international relations. Time for everyone to stick 2 fingers up at USA and Trump.
Europe has €250billion of Russian assets, time to get spending.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78jx68d922o
They have indicated that they have no wish to stop Russia and Ukraine can suck it up.
A complete failure of international relations. Time for everyone to stick 2 fingers up at USA and Trump.
Europe has €250billion of Russian assets, time to get spending.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c78jx68d922o
briantrumpet
Active Member
Well, that great negotiator Trump revealed his hand in the first week, and all he had was a pair of 3's.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
Like the manbaby he is, he is sulking because he couldn't get his way over the deal...which would have legitimised Putin's invasion and annexing of Ukraine's land.
briantrumpet
Active Member
Manbaby indeed. "Who are dying for no reason whatsoever" other than Russia trying to annexe Ukraine and save face for Putin.
Rusty Nails
Country Member
While I have come to expect nothing better from Trump, the saddest thing about this sort of statement is that it is apparently just being accepted by the people of the US as fact. Not just by the people but by those politicians in fear of him in the Republican party and those in the Democrat party who just don't seem to have a combined voice of opposition. The checks and balances in the US constitution are just being ignored.
Perhaps there is a lot of distaste in the US population over his words and actions but, if there is, it doesn't seem to make any headlines or limit his excesses.
Beebo
Guru
Trump just doesn’t do nuance and seeks to apportion blame to anyone else.
I do think that Ukraine as part of any peace agreement they will have to accept they have lost Crimea for the foreseeable future, without official recognising it.
Russia do seem to be getting a much friendlier approach, and they started it.
