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Milzy

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If it’s 30k men per KM, then I’m still worried. They have enough man power to keep taking miles. If it’s only one mile per year they’ll eventually get deeper inland. How far are they willing to go though? Maybe they’ll be happy with what they’ve gained. It will still cost to defend that. You are right about Trump.
 
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Pinno718

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If it’s 30k men per KM, then I’m still worried. They have enough man power to keep taking miles. If it’s only one mile per year they’ll eventually get deeper inland. How far are they willing to go though? Maybe they’ll be happy with what they’ve gained. It will still cost to defend that. You are right about Trump.

But they are running out of man power. The military was offering huge sign up incentives and family compensation but they can't maintain both these incentives and are no longer offering them.
They are so short of personnel, under coercion, they enlisted 180,000 prisoners.
Most of them are dead or deserted.
 
A peace deal needs to be agreed so we can trade & get on without the mindless war but certain people have other ideas sadly.
The problem with that is two fold.
1. Putin does not want peace, he wants Ukraine.
2. Yeah, the trade deals are the important things. Why worry about what Ukrainians want?

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Pinno718

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If it’s 30k men per KM, then I’m still worried. They have enough man power to keep taking miles. If it’s only one mile per year they’ll eventually get deeper inland. How far are they willing to go though? Maybe they’ll be happy with what they’ve gained. It will still cost to defend that. You are right about Trump.

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Pross

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I don't know the publication but I'd wonder if The Kiev Independent is completely neutral and presenting only independently confirmed data. In the same way that I'd question the neutrality of any Russian published data.

I've made this point previously.
 

Pinno718

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I don't know the publication but I'd wonder if The Kiev Independent is completely neutral and presenting only independently confirmed data. In the same way that I'd question the neutrality of any Russian published data.

Wiki is vague, estimating 400k to 1.5m.
Our MOD reported over 1m in June of this year.
Russia matters reports 780,000 dead with 84,000 missing.

So I do not think the KP is that far off if at all.
 

Pinno718

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I've made this point previously.

I know.
ANY pro Ukrainian press will be bias and unless you go and get out your grandpa's tin hat and go have a head count, you'll have to interpret whatever press you read.
If I post horrific losses on the Ukrainian side, are you more likely to believe the figures/extent of damage because it fits your pessimistic narrative that you so dearly want to cling on to?
 

Pross

Senior Member
I know.
ANY pro Ukrainian press will be bias and unless you go and get out your grandpa's tin hat and go have a head count, you'll have to interpret whatever press you read.
If I post horrific losses on the Ukrainian side, are you more likely to believe the figures/extent of damage because it fits your pessimistic narrative that you so dearly want to cling on to?

I don’t have a narrative, it feels like a stalemate resulting in a high human cost on all sides because of an egotistical dictator. I don’t really see a million Russians being killed as a good thing either, you’ve even said yourself that these are conscripts that don’t want to be there.
 
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Milzy

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Putin could use small tactical nukes on the battlefield. I can’t see that escalating in to full on nuclear war. The T-90’s and any tank/vehicle for that matter are pretty pointless in drone warfare.
 

Pinno718

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I don’t have a narrative, it feels like a stalemate...

Perhaps but the financial costs of the war in Russia is mounting and Ukraine is hitting military sites, tankers, radar, even high value aircraft, oil refineries, oil distribution channels with ever decreasing resistance as Russian air defences are failing (or perhaps, were never that strong in the first place).
There's something wrong in Rome when you pull out tanks from museums and you send your troops to war on motorbikes (and bicycles) and agricultural vehicles for tending livestock with plastic roofs (called Golf carts by the Ukrainian troops) and call yourself a superpower. I actually think Putin is deluded. There's something wrong when you seize the assets of Oligarch's and send them to prison and you fire over a hundred officials since the war began.

Napoleon succumbed to distance, then winter. Hitler succumbed to resistance, geography and winter. Russia will succumb to it's own geography - it's impossible to guard because it's so big.
There is an estimated 500 ships in the shadow fleet, all ageing vessels which are getting more and more expensive to insure, to maintain, to run, to man and whose owners are less and less eager to transport Russian oil. Oil is Russia's life line and it's being severed at source and in transit.

Even in the Russian media, banks are increasingly concerned about the sinking value of the Rubel, inflation, higher rates of income tax and debt. Couple that with the lowest, knock down prices of oil which is not yielding nearly what the Russians need to fund the conflict, never mind the increasing debts. Russian industrial complexes tied (often coercively) to Russian military contracts are going bankrupt. The owners of these industries have syphoned off monies to an extent that has been wholly detrimental in delivering these contracts. The govt. is also no longer paying competitively. Russia is finding recruitment harder and harder as they don't have the incentives, the coffers are drying up and there isn't an endless supply anymore as the black stuff is getting harder to deliver.

Eminent economists are talking about Russia's financial situation. globally. This is not just propaganda.
Modi will get cheap oil for a while, China will keep funding and supplying but even they will have a limit. North Korea sent troops in only to be killed and tactically, things got lost in translation.
Europe and the 40 countries that support Ukraine make up a formidable body.
Ukraine is getting money directly from the coalition of the willing and those monies are funding home grown defence hardware and drones. There is a regiment almost entirely made up of American veterans. There are an estimated 3000 of them fighting in Ukraine.
(oh, and 3000 Brits).

34,000 Russian deserters
7400 AWOL
No age limit for voluntary sign ups
Average age of a Russian soldier is estimated at 38 to 40. At the start of the conflict, it was 25.
 
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