War with Russia

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AndyRM

Elder Goth
Perhaps but the financial costs of the war in Russia is mounting and Ukraine is hitting military sites, tankers, radar, even high value aircraft, oil refineries, oil distribution channels with ever decreasing resistance as Russian air defences are failing (or perhaps, were never that strong in the first place).
There's something wrong in Rome when you pull out tanks from museums and you send your troops to war on motorbikes (and bicycles) and agricultural vehicles for tending livestock with plastic roofs (called Golf carts by the Ukrainian troops) and call yourself a superpower. I actually think Putin is deluded. There's something wrong when you seize the assets of Oligarch's and send them to prison and you fire over a hundred officials since the war began.

Napoleon succumbed to distance, then winter. Hitler succumbed to resistance, geography and winter. Russia will succumb to it's own geography - it's impossible to guard because it's so big.
There is an estimated 500 ships in the shadow fleet, all ageing vessels which are getting more and more expensive to insure, to maintain, to run, to man and whose owners are less and less eager to transport Russian oil. Oil is Russia's life line and it's being severed at source and in transit.

Even in the Russian media, banks are increasingly concerned about the sinking value of the Rubel, inflation, higher rates of income tax and debt. Couple that with the lowest, knock down prices of oil which is not yielding nearly what the Russians need to fund the conflict, never mind the increasing debts. Russian industrial complexes tied (often coercively) to Russian military contracts are going bankrupt. The owners of these industries have syphoned off monies to an extent that has been wholly detrimental in delivering these contracts. The govt. is also no longer paying competitively. Russia is finding recruitment harder and harder as they don't have the incentives, the coffers are drying up and there isn't an endless supply anymore as the black stuff is getting harder to deliver.

Eminent economists are talking about Russia's financial situation. globally. This is not just propaganda.
Modi will get cheap oil for a while, China will keep funding and supplying but even they will have a limit. North Korea sent troops in only to be killed and tactically, things got lost in translation.
Europe and the 40 countries that support Ukraine make up a formidable body.
Ukraine is getting money directly from the coalition of the willing and those monies are funding home grown defence hardware and drones. There is a regiment almost entirely made up of American veterans. There are an estimated 3000 of them fighting in Ukraine.
(oh, and 3000 Brits).

34,000 Russian deserters
7400 AWOL
No age limit for voluntary sign ups
Average age of a Russian soldier is estimated at 38 to 40. At the start of the conflict, it was 25.

Propaganda fed by main stream media western decadence.

Russia has a secret elite military just waiting to pounce, and they've kept all their best stuff deep in hidden bunkers ready to obliterate everything which stands in the motherland's path.

At some point I'd like to hope Putin is going to get his head out of his arse and realise that his WWII inspired tactics aren't really working, but sadly he probably won't.
 
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Pinno718

Veteran
Russia has a secret elite military just waiting to pounce, and they've kept all their best stuff deep in hidden bunkers ready to obliterate everything which stands in the motherland's path.

They brought out the best stuff and...


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4h3FN4qWio


Best keep it under wraps 'cos then the enemy won't know how powerful you are and what threats you pose to the decadent West.
 

spen666

Über Member
Given this thread started over 4 years ago, do we have a kick off time for this war yet? Is it on Sky TV or on terrestrial TV?

Are we away to Russia in the first leg or are we hosting them here?
 

Pinno718

Veteran
Given this thread started over 4 years ago, do we have a kick off time for this war yet? Is it on Sky TV or on terrestrial TV?

Putin calls the conflict WW4. The 3rd being the cold war. Are you trivialising this?
What point are you trying to make? There are bombs flying around and it's global by proxy and there are people dying. What defines war if you are suggesting that this is just a localised conflict?

You've jumped in on other threads on a whim and post out of context, get your fingers burnt as you spout bollox and then you go away again.
 
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Pinno718

Veteran
So far they are working well enough.

Well, Putin reckoned he was going to invade Ukraine in a matter of days.
1385 days later and 1.2m dead or wounded Russians, an economy on the brink, 40km's gained, Pokrovsk (1 year, 4 months, 2 days) is still not occupied (as a yardstick), inflation/debt/defaulting loans/corruption/failing military hardware/unimaginable long term reconstruction costs...

Yeah, it's working great.
 
Given this thread started over 4 years ago, do we have a kick off time for this war yet? Is it on Sky TV or on terrestrial TV?

Are we away to Russia in the first leg or are we hosting them here?

We are in the qualifying rounds and Russia is already heavily involved in away games.
We are already in a proxy war whether we acknowledge it or not.
 

C R

Guru
Well, Putin reckoned he was going to invade Ukraine in a matter of days.
1385 days later and 1.2m dead or wounded Russians, an economy on the brink, 40km's gained, Pokrovsk (1 year, 4 months, 2 days) is still not occupied (as a yardstick), inflation/debt/defaulting loans/corruption/failing military hardware/unimaginable long term reconstruction costs...

Yeah, it's working great.

[Cassandra Mode]
He hasn't lost. He is still in the war. Trump is on the verge of betraying Ukraine and by extension Europe, thus giving Putin free reign. I'd say that it is working well enough for Putin's long term strategy, if not for every day Russians.
[/Cassandra Mode]
 

spen666

Über Member
Putin calls the conflict WW4. The 3rd being the cold war. Are you trivialising this?

Trivialising a War that still has not happened?

i didn't realise that what Putin says is what you go by.

What point are you trying to make? There are bombs flying around

They must be missing this part of England. I've not seen any bombs here, nor any bomb damage, nor even any air raid warnings


If I'm wrong, please advise me when there was a declaration of war by the UK Government


Alternatively, you could just enjoy your life and not worry about something that over 4 years on has not happened and is very unlikely to happen.
 

C R

Guru
Trivialising a War that still has not happened?

i didn't realise that what Putin says is what you go by.



They must be missing this part of England. I've not seen any bombs here, nor any bomb damage, nor even any air raid warnings


If I'm wrong, please advise me when there was a declaration of war by the UK Government


Alternatively, you could just enjoy your life and not worry about something that over 4 years on has not happened and is very unlikely to happen.

There was no formal declaration of war between the UK and Iraq, so the second gulf war never happened.

Actually, it looks like the UK hasn't declared war since 1942, so the Falklands/Malvinas war never happened, the Afghanistan war never happened, the Persian Gulf wars never happened...
 

CXRAndy

Shaman
If I'm wrong, please advise me when there was a declaration of war by the UK Government


If there was, hardly any able bodied young British male would volunteer to go to his death for Starmer.

On the flip side we have hundreds of thousands illegal men who could go to war on the UKs behalf with a promise of citizenship-if they survive
 

spen666

Über Member
There was no formal declaration of war between the UK and Iraq, so the second gulf war never happened.

Actually, it looks like the UK hasn't declared war since 1942, so the Falklands/Malvinas war never happened, the Afghanistan war never happened, the Persian Gulf wars never happened...

The Falklands incident famously was not a war, it was a "conflict"

does not mean something did not happen, just what did happen was not a war
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
If there was, hardly any able bodied young British male would volunteer to go to his death for Starmer.

On the flip side we have hundreds of thousands illegal men who could go to war on the UKs behalf with a promise of citizenship-if they survive

Dude.

Where did this bit of made up nonsense arrive from on your algorithm?

Because that's some quality comedy writing.
 
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