Who Cares...??

[mudsticks]

"In this way, the feminist-led movement against domestic violence over the past half-century has much to teach us. In heterosexual relationships, men’s use of violence is not as much impulsive as it is rooted in a belief system in which their needs come first. They use force, or the threat of it, to gain or maintain a woman’s compliance, or to punish her for transgressing against his authority."

This article about the Jan 6th insurrection, lays out so much of what is problematic, (and often ignored) with hyper or toxic masculinity .

It's what is present in so many other populist or authoritarian 'leaders' such as Bolsanaro, Modi, and most lethally right now Putin.

It's all the same 'might is right' and self justified use of power and strength to subjugate, control, and exploit ...

How do we 'fight back' without falling to violent means ourselves??

 

[AuroraSaab]

On an individual level, education and awareness mostly, starting with kids. Toxic masculinity is bad for men too so hopefully they will see that they also benefit. Difficult though when kids face a tsunami of cultural influence from birth.

It's worse in the US because they have a very strong notion of individualism and autonomy, and stuff like schools and the legal system are not (mostly) independent and detached from ideology like in the UK.

 

[mudsticks]

On an individual level, education and awareness mostly, starting with kids. Toxic masculinity is bad for men too so hopefully they will see that they also benefit. Difficult though when kids face a tsunami of cultural influence from birth.

It's worse in the US because they have a very strong notion of individualism and autonomy, and stuff like schools and the legal system are not (mostly) independent and detached from ideology like in the UK.

Well yes, I think all of us who are concious of it, do it as best we can on a personal and professional level

But sometimes up against those 'hard baked' cultural tropes, patriachal ideas not just in msm, but in so much trad religious ideology (US problem again), it feels a bit like an impossible struggle.

Having said that, some progress has been made.

The internet, despite being the home of many horrors, has also enabled the younger generation in particular, to delve and discuss far more deeply into ideas such as the problems inherent in hypermasculinity , healthy, and non healthy relationships, feminism, and so much more social understanding besides.

So alongside the hating, there's still a lot of hope..

 

[newfhouse]

More than 100 female Labour MPs have written to Boris Johnson calling on him to scrap new guidance on pre-trial therapy for rape victims, which they say will make it less likely they will get the vital therapy they need.

Led by the shadow attorney general, Emily Thornberry, MPs including Yvette Cooper, Angela Rayner and Jess Phillips argue that the new rules “will cause many survivors to avoid seeking therapy, and make it more likely that cases will collapse when the prolonged stress of waiting for trials becomes too much”.

The move would allow a defendant’s legal team to access and use rape victims’ therapy notes in court proceedings if they thought it was “relevant” rather than only in cases where it would undermine a case, they argue. The proposal was criticised by the victim’s commissioner for England and Wales Vera Baird who said it “made things worse” for rape victims.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...is-johnson-scrap-rape-victim-therapy-guidance

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

More than 100 female Labour MPs have written to Boris Johnson calling on him to scrap new guidance on pre-trial therapy for rape victims, which they say will make it less likely they will get the vital therapy they need.

Led by the shadow attorney general, Emily Thornberry, MPs including Yvette Cooper, Angela Rayner and Jess Phillips argue that the new rules “will cause many survivors to avoid seeking therapy, and make it more likely that cases will collapse when the prolonged stress of waiting for trials becomes too much”.

The move would allow a defendant’s legal team to access and use rape victims’ therapy notes in court proceedings if they thought it was “relevant” rather than only in cases where it would undermine a case, they argue. The proposal was criticised by the victim’s commissioner for England and Wales Vera Baird who said it “made things worse” for rape victims.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...is-johnson-scrap-rape-victim-therapy-guidance

There should be a special place in Hell reserved for people who think that a rape victim's counselling notes should - or even CAN - be referred to in a trial.

It should be something that is not even a question



p.s. - in fact ANY counselling - the whole damn point is that you should be able to say anything

 

[mudsticks]

There should be a special place in Hell reserved for people who think that a rape victim's counselling notes should - or even CAN - be referred to in a trial.

It should be something that is not even a question



p.s. - in fact ANY counselling - the whole damn point is that you should be able to say anything

Yup you would have thought that would be a given.

I try not to become more and more cynically despairing at how sermingly little natural understanding awareness and compassion, some humans seem to have for other humans and their experience.

As cynicism doesn't really help anything, in fact it just plays into the hands of those who would have us 'harden our hearts' and thus only act in cynical self interest.

But it's a big ol' struggle sometimes.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I can see the logic in offering support and counselling in the pre-trial period but the idea that anything disclosed in that time should be available to the defence is reprehensible. It will simply lead to even fewer women having the confidence to report assaults to the police.

If they want to help rape victims they could improve the atrocious conviction rate and reduce the unbearably long wait for the court case.

 

[Bromptonaut]

If they want to help rape victims they could improve the atrocious conviction rate and reduce the unbearably long wait for the court case.

In order to be convicted one has to be found guilty....

 

[mudsticks]

In order to be convicted one has to be found guilty....

In order for one to be found guilty, the case has first to make it to court...

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-48095118

 

[ebikeerwidnes]

This doesn;t just apply to rape - although that is probably the most serious
even a robbery can result in the victim needing counselling
imagine if a 'little old lady' commented in counselling "I do wonder if maybe I forgot to lock the door" or something

The whole concept is wrong

 

[newfhouse]

30p Lee being a dick again. Apparently pointing out the low rape conviction rate is all the incentive men need to attack women. What a lovely chap he is.

“And it encourages men who are thinking about doing these horrible crimes to go and commit…”


View: https://twitter.com/angelarayner/status/1542432743459520513?s=21&t=L_fcpg6o81wMwKMsXgStew

 

[mudsticks]

30p Lee being a dick again. Apparently pointing out the low rape conviction rate is all the incentive men need to attack women. What a lovely chap he is.

“And it encourages men who are thinking about doing these horrible crimes to go and commit…”


View: https://twitter.com/angelarayner/status/1542432743459520513?s=21&t=L_fcpg6o81wMwKMsXgStew

Bleuuurrgghh.

Yet another one professing to know what or how 'women think'...

As if he gives even half a sh*t, about any woman he doesn't consider to be one of 'his', or one of 'his sort' .

And then having the frkkn cheek to say that womens 'fears' are the fault of the person pointing out the woefully low conviction rate for rape .

Not the fault of the people presiding over the woefully low conviction rate, and the men doing the raping. .

These types of weasel worded men make me feel physically sick..

And the ones that do this stuff too, of course..

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...sponse-domestic-abuse-claims-against-officers

 

[AuroraSaab]

Six English police forces are now in special measures.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBPAUK

 

[newfhouse]

No shame.

View: https://twitter.com/breeallegretti/status/1542618992111767553?s=21&t=D-PxS0TTYNEZ30q_owo7rw

 

[Ian H]

Six English police forces are now in special measures.

https://mobile.twitter.com/NBPAUK

Throughout the last sixty years or so, police forces have been reformed, 'cleaned out', etc., and still managed to revert to exactly what they were before. It's like building sand-castles on a beach.