Badenoch's (Lack Of) Vision Quest

[midlandsgrimpeur]

I can't understand quite why the Conservative Party cna't see what a disaster they have become, how lacking their leadership is. I don't agree with their general approach to governance but they certainly do have some smart people in the party

Brexit. They sacrificed the entire party at its high altar. It was underliverable so they ousted May and got a liar in Johnson who bluffed. He got rid of all the intelligent moderates and brought in the Brexit lap dogs as new MP's in 2019. When his oven ready dogs dinner went South we got Truss and so on.

They got to the point where they are now left with a hopeless leader, Brexit was the Pandora's box that legitimised Farage and then Reform, and the centre right disappeared.

The problem is that none of them have, or ever will acknowledge Brexit was a disaster for their party and brought about a slow death.

They need a complete rebuild as a one nation party led by a Rory Stewart type but they are years from that at least.

 

[Stevo 666]

Politics of envy innit.

Every now and then you get it right 😉

 

[Stevo 666]

Ask Stevo if he'll take notes and report back. The back of a fag packet should prove ample in size to record all the points of interest.

'Fraid I'm too busy mitigating tax to attend 😁

 

[Psamathe]

The problem is that none of them have, or ever will acknowledge Brexit was a disaster for their party and brought about a slow death.

Not disagreeing but weird thing is how the disaster that is Brexit doesn't seem to be impacting Faragë/Reform. OK, he didn't negotiate the details of the disaster but everybody must be able to see the extent he influenced and pushed us into "harder Brexit". Yet he seems to be escaping any blame.

 

[Pross]

Not disagreeing but weird thing is how the disaster that is Brexit doesn't seem to be impacting Faragë/Reform. OK, he didn't negotiate the details of the disaster but everybody must be able to see the extent he influenced and pushed us into "harder Brexit". Yet he seems to be escaping any blame.

He's managed to convince them that the problem isn't with Brexit, just that it wasn't done properly (i.e. how he would have done it). I do wonder how much he really wants to be PM as it would expose all his faults and eventually there's a limit to how long you can blame others for problems (he'd also have to do some work or at least give the impression of doing some work but all this might be outweighed by the opportunity to spend 5 years further enriching himself and his allies).

 

[Beebo]

Not disagreeing but weird thing is how the disaster that is Brexit doesn't seem to be impacting Faragë/Reform. OK, he didn't negotiate the details of the disaster but everybody must be able to see the extent he influenced and pushed us into "harder Brexit". Yet he seems to be escaping any blame.

It’s because no one is pinning the blame on him. The right wing media have to provide support for him as they’ve abandoned the Tory party.

the boat crossings are all a result of Brexit, as we can’t send them back anymore. Farage caused the issue that he is now most angry about, but no one calls this out.
Start calling them the Farage Boats and the Farage riots. Because that is what they are.

 

[briantrumpet]

Brexit. They sacrificed the entire party at its high altar. It was underliverable so they ousted May and got a liar in Johnson who bluffed. He got rid of all the intelligent moderates and brought in the Brexit lap dogs as new MP's in 2019. When his oven ready dogs dinner went South we got Truss and so on.

They got to the point where they are now left with a hopeless leader, Brexit was the Pandora's box that legitimised Farage and then Reform, and the centre right disappeared.

The problem is that none of them have, or ever will acknowledge Brexit was a disaster for their party and brought about a slow death.

They need a complete rebuild as a one nation party led by a Rory Stewart type but they are years from that at least.

Genuinely can't see the appetite to rebuild. The blue-rinse brigade who used to be its backbone have died or have decided that they'd either just a bit more racism than Tories can muster.

Totally agree re Brexit. I was no fan of May, but she realised that it was an impossible project without both dishonesty and damaging Britain's finance and status in the global community. Johnson was the man who had what it took.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Brexit. They sacrificed the entire party at its high altar. It was underliverable so they ousted May and got a liar in Johnson who bluffed. He got rid of all the intelligent moderates and brought in the Brexit lap dogs as new MP's in 2019. When his oven ready dogs dinner went South we got Truss and so on.

They got to the point where they are now left with a hopeless leader, Brexit was the Pandora's box that legitimised Farage and then Reform, and the centre right disappeared.

The problem is that none of them have, or ever will acknowledge Brexit was a disaster for their party and brought about a slow death.

They need a complete rebuild as a one nation party led by a Rory Stewart type but they are years from that at least.

Sums it up.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Genuinely can't see the appetite to rebuild. The blue-rinse brigade who used to be its backbone have died or have decided that they'd either just a bit more racism than Tories can muster.

Totally agree re Brexit. I was no fan of May, but she realised that it was an impossible project without both dishonesty and damaging Britain's finance and status in the global community. Johnson was the man who had what it took.

May took a real hospital pass there.

She was what I would describe as right wing with her “hostile environment” for immigrants etc. but now seems a moderate compared to where we are now.

 

[Stevo 666]

Brexit. It was underliverable

Strange, but last time I looked the UK had left the EU...

They need a complete rebuild as a one nation party led by a Rory Stewart type but they are years from that at least.

You're clearly just trying to finish them off suggesting thing like that 🙂

 

[briantrumpet]

May took a real hospital pass there.

She was what I would describe as right wing with her “hostile environment” for immigrants etc. but now seems a moderate compared to where we are now.

She was never a heavyweight, and carried some of the normal Tory baggage, but even she wasn't prepared to contort herself to the degree necessary to bring it off, which you could tell by the hot mess she got in trying to deliver it before resigning.

 

[Psamathe]

Hope I've not missed it being previously posted

Senior Tories dismayed at Badenoch’s ‘catastrophic’ vow to repeal Climate Change Act
The former prime minister Theresa May has condemned a promise made by Kemi Badenoch to repeal the Climate Change Act if the Tories win the next general election, calling the plans a “catastrophic mistake”.

She joined other leading Tories, business groups, scientists and the Church of England in attacking the Conservative leader’s announcement, which would remove the requirement for governments to set “carbon budgets” laying out how far greenhouse gas emissions will be cut every five years, up to 2050.

 

[All uphill]

I think the Tories problem is their membership. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole, what appeals to them repels the rest of the country.

I see no way that they can reinvent themselves from this point.

 

[First Aspect]

I think the Tories problem is their membership. They are unrepresentative of the population as a whole, what appeals to them repels the rest of the country.

I see no way that they can reinvent themselves from this point.

The majority of their membership will be dead soon, since they are all well into their 70s now.

 

[CXRAndy]

Average age of death is much higher than that