BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[Pblakeney]

I think she's actually just saying she's glad that Labour seem to have turned into a Reform-lite party. I'd not go looking for logic in her utterances, as I'd only be disappointed.

I’d say Labour have turned Tory, the tories have turned reform and reform are promising the never ever.

 

[First Aspect]

I think she's actually just saying she's glad that Labour seem to have turned into a Reform-lite party. I'd not go looking for logic in her utterances, as I'd only be disappointed.

Oh, so "I told you so" more or less?

Mature.

 

[First Aspect]

I’d say Labour have turned Tory, the tories have turned reform and reform are promising the never ever.

The world has swung right, but I don't think populism is quite so easy to characterise. Some of reform's utterances (I hesitate to say policies, perhaps "poplicies"?) are relatively left wing - royal commission on so ial care, increase NHS spending. But as populists, these things are of course incompatible with lots of their other poplicies. Such as shrinking the state and vast tax cuts.

There is no political thesis, just vote chasing.

 

[Pblakeney]

The world has swung right, but I don't think populism is quite so easy to characterise. Some of reform's utterances (I hesitate to say policies, perhaps "poplicies"?) are relatively left wing - royal commission on so ial care, increase NHS spending. But as populists, these things are of course incompatible with lots of their other poplicies. Such as shrinking the state and vast tax cuts.

There is no political thesis, just vote chasing.

It is difficult to be precise with generalisations. 😉

 

[briantrumpet]

The world has swung right, but I don't think populism is quite so easy to characterise. Some of reform's utterances (I hesitate to say policies, perhaps "poplicies"?) are relatively left wing - royal commission on so ial care, increase NHS spending. But as populists, these things are of course incompatible with lots of their other poplicies. Such as shrinking the state and vast tax cuts.

There is no political thesis, just vote chasing.

...so they're not mentioning turning it into a private health insurance model then?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...aced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html

 

[matticus]

...so they're not mentioning turning it into a private health insurance model then?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...aced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html

Gosh, I wonder where he got that idea from?

Has he found time amidst his busy local MP schedule to make fact-finding trips to other countries?

 

[briantrumpet]

Gosh, I wonder where he got that idea from?

Has he found time amidst his busy local MP schedule to make fact-finding trips to other countries?

Well, I suppose they've not been penalised by any of the unicorn claims about the benefits of Brexit and how we'd stay in the Single Market & Customs Union, so they might as well doing that populist thing of saying everything will be better under them with no downsides or costs. And obviously the poor won't get poorer and the rich won't get even richer. No. Definitely not. Everything will be lovely, just as Trump is showing in the US.

 

[PurplePenguin]

Braverman's position is reasonably well documented. She does not like multiculturalism and believes immigrants to a country should adopt the culture of the country they are living in. This is why she supports requirements to speak English. She believes that this is something she has done - she has Hindu and Catholic parents and a Jewish husband, but lives by what she sees as British values.

Now, I don't agree with her - I think people should live by the laws of the land and everything else is entirely optional - but there is no great gotcha because her parents were immigrants. In her eyes that is precisely the point - they immigrated and assimilated.

So I assume, having not read the article at all, her position is that Starmer's changes to immigration (e.g. greater requirement to speak English) are a demonstration that more people are starting to agree with her.

 

[CXRAndy]

If you are moving to another country, you adopt the language and assimilate into their culture.

You don't try and change the native culture to your own. Else don't move to said country.

 

[icowden]

Braverman's position is reasonably well documented. She does not like multiculturalism and believes immigrants to a country should adopt the culture of the country they are living in. This is why she supports requirements to speak English. She believes that this is something she has done - she has Hindu and Catholic parents and a Jewish husband, but lives by what she sees as British values.

And yet:

Suella Braverman MP​

5 February 2017 · Fareham ·

Delightful curry lunch at Cafe Tusk today with the Fareham West Conservatives. Thanks to Cllr Leslie Keeble, Tina Ellis and Christine for organising! If you would like to join Fareham Conservatives, drop me an email. Next event: Conservative Policy Forum Discussion Evening, this Friday 10th Feb, 7pm. Subject: Cost of Living. Members o

Is our culture to have curry? It is *now* but surely that's multiculturalism. I bet she's eaten at other non-British cuisine establishments as well.
Bloody hypocrite.

 

[briantrumpet]

This is one of the reasons I'm not sympathetic to any of Braverman's points of view. She poured fuel on the fire, which she shouldn't have been doing as a government minister. Actually, I'm surprised she didn't see this as part of the assimilation process, as the Pakistani grooming gangs she was singling out are copying the examples of white British grooming gangs (though curiously she doesn't mention the latter).

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...british-pakistani-men-discriminatory-pakistan

 

[PurplePenguin]

And yet:



Is our culture to have curry? It is *now* but surely that's multiculturalism. I bet she's eaten at other non-British cuisine establishments as well.
Bloody hypocrite.

Having a curry is not multiculturalism.

 

[icowden]

Having a curry is not multiculturalism.

But without it, we wouldn't have curry. She shouldn't be supporting the growth of our multicultural nation by eating at establishments which are the result of multicuturalism.

Or eating only at establishments serving

• small pieces of chicken served with masala spices,
• spicy chicken
• chicken cooked in yoghurt

Words like korma, masala and tikka are the result of multiculturalism.

Actually, so are these words I'm typing. To be properly non-multicultural, Braverman should remain silent.

 

[PurplePenguin]

But without it, we wouldn't have curry. She shouldn't be supporting the growth of our multicultural nation by eating at establishments which are the result of multicuturalism.

Or eating only at establishments serving

• small pieces of chicken served with masala spices,
• spicy chicken
• chicken cooked in yoghurt

Words like korma, masala and tikka are the result of multiculturalism.

Actually, so are these words I'm typing. To be properly non-multicultural, Braverman should remain silent.

They are the result of immigration not multicuturalism. Even things like Chicken Tikka Masala and Balti were created in the UK. I don't think even the most bigoted are too worried about the food that other people eat.

 

[Stevo 666]

Braverman's position is reasonably well documented. She does not like multiculturalism and believes immigrants to a country should adopt the culture of the country they are living in. This is why she supports requirements to speak English. She believes that this is something she has done - she has Hindu and Catholic parents and a Jewish husband, but lives by what she sees as British values.

Now, I don't agree with her - I think people should live by the laws of the land and everything else is entirely optional - but there is no great gotcha because her parents were immigrants. In her eyes that is precisely the point - they immigrated and assimilated.

So I assume, having not read the article at all, her position is that Starmer's changes to immigration (e.g. greater requirement to speak English) are a demonstration that more people are starting to agree with her.

I think that a lot of people already agree with her and the political ruling class are starting to wake up and smell the coffee. Taking a firm line on immigration is not just a British thing or a right wing thing, for example:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...r-can-learn-denmark-harsh-immigration-stance/