BRFR Cake Stop 'breaking news' miscellany

[Stevo 666]

I’d say Labour have turned Tory, the tories have turned reform and reform are promising the never ever.

So no mainstream leftie options? That's good news.

 

[First Aspect]

...so they're not mentioning turning it into a private health insurance model then?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...aced-by-private-health-insurance-9988904.html

Not this week. Stuck a reminder in your calendar for June and let's see if that's changed.

 

[PurplePenguin]

This is one of the reasons I'm not sympathetic to any of Braverman's points of view. She poured fuel on the fire, which she shouldn't have been doing as a government minister. Actually, I'm surprised she didn't see this as part of the assimilation process, as the Pakistani grooming gangs she was singling out are copying the examples of white British grooming gangs (though curiously she doesn't mention the latter).

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...british-pakistani-men-discriminatory-pakistan

You don't need to be sympathetic, but you should criticise her actual views rather than something you have deliberately misunderstood.

 

[matticus]

They are the result of immigration not multicuturalism. Even things like Chicken Tikka Masala and Balti were created in the UK. I don't think even the most bigoted are too worried about the food that other people eat.

I think eating food cooked by indians, served by indians, in an "Indian Restaurant", is a significant part of multi-culturalism.
(Even if they tweaked the recipes to make a few more sales.)

 

[First Aspect]

Jesus I've only been away an hour and the thread has got spicy.

 

[Pross]

Braverman's position is reasonably well documented. She does not like multiculturalism and believes immigrants to a country should adopt the culture of the country they are living in. This is why she supports requirements to speak English. She believes that this is something she has done - she has Hindu and Catholic parents and a Jewish husband, but lives by what she sees as British values.

Now, I don't agree with her - I think people should live by the laws of the land and everything else is entirely optional - but there is no great gotcha because her parents were immigrants. In her eyes that is precisely the point - they immigrated and assimilated.

So I assume, having not read the article at all, her position is that Starmer's changes to immigration (e.g. greater requirement to speak English) are a demonstration that more people are starting to agree with her.

So, sort of a multi-cultural life then?

 

[PurplePenguin]

So, sort of a multi-cultural life then?

No. Multicultural is two cultures living side by side and not interacting. This seems to be widely misunderstood.

Wikipedia

Multiculturalism is the coexistence of multiple cultures. The word is used in sociology, in political philosophy, and colloquially. In sociology and everyday usage, it is usually a synonym for ethnic or cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic and cultural groups exist in a single society. It can describe a mixed ethnic community area where multiple cultural traditions exist or a single country.

 

[Pross]

Where are you getting the ‘not interacting’ part in that extract?

 

[PurplePenguin]

Where are you getting the ‘not interacting’ part in that extract?

The coexisting bit. If two cultures coexist, but everyone mingled with each other and participated in everything, then there would only be one culture.

 

[Pblakeney]

The coexisting bit. If two cultures coexist, but everyone mingled with each other and participated in everything, then there would only be one culture.

Not sure it is as clear cut as that. I lived in French Canada for a while and certainly mingled with the locals.
No way on earth would I claim to have a French Canadien culture.

 

[briantrumpet]

You don't need to be sympathetic, but you should criticise her actual views rather than something you have deliberately misunderstood.

Which bit have I misunderstood?

 

[briantrumpet]

No. Multicultural is two cultures living side by side and not interacting. This seems to be widely misunderstood.

Wikipedia

Multiculturalism is the coexistence of multiple cultures. The word is used in sociology, in political philosophy, and colloquially. In sociology and everyday usage, it is usually a synonym for ethnic or cultural pluralism[1] in which various ethnic and cultural groups exist in a single society. It can describe a mixed ethnic community area where multiple cultural traditions exist or a single country.

I don't see the connection between your first statement and the definition from Wikipedia: it doesn't say that they don't interact anywhere.

 

[Ian H]

Having a curry is not multiculturalism.

The coexisting bit. If two cultures coexist, but everyone mingled with each other and participated in everything, then there would only be one culture.

Cultures can and do mingle and still retain their distinctive differences.

 

[briantrumpet]

Sometimes a cynic might suggest that The Sun isn't always a great source of news.

 

[briantrumpet]

Cultures can and do mingle and still retain their distinctive differences.

That sounds like multiculturalism to me. A bit like the separate sections of an orchestra mingle and even play together, but I ain't never going to be a violinist (which you'd know if you'd heard me try).