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First Aspect

Legendary Member
From the quote above….⬆️

All of the journal publications associated with his research are in English, so he has no concerns about his research being accessible.
Sure. But some of the publications ought to have referenced the thesis, as should future publications by the same or other people building on that research.

The thesis shouldn't be a self contained and self aggrandising document, because it is paid for and is for the benefit of future researchers - most frequently in the same group.
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

Timewaster
You sound like the Spanish nationalists that used to berate those whose first language was not Spanish for not using Spanish.

Were they talking about scientific theses?

If I were talking about Welsh in Wales, you would have a point. I've already said I think that's a very valid linguistic aim, but I don't think this is going to move the dial on that, but is not conducive to making scientific knowledge more widely accessible.
 

Psamathe

Legendary Member
It does, though here we're talking about % trends in usage of specific languages, rather than the changes within languages themselves, which I think you're referring to, and is a universal phenomenon.

For the time being, the language of science sharing is English, and it's likely to stay that way for quite some time, I'd suggest.
Is there also an aspect of "ownership"?

In my day a discovery made eg by a PhD research where grant funded from public money was in the public domain. But these days so often a public money funded research project seems to end-up being the ownership of the researcher who goes set-up up their own private company exploiting those patents they now own, nothing back to the public who funded the discovery.

So if a discovery is reported in a less widespread language and the research repeated, later research resulting in patents, are patent lawyers expected to trawl back through all less widespread language publications to verify who actually discovered whatever?
 

Ian H

Shaman
It sounds more like a pointless cul de sac. Even if it were a more mainstream language, why would someone invent new words when there's already established and agreed international terminology? It smacks rather of an attention-seeking stunt rather than something useful, in either linguistic or scientific terms.

Welsh borrows quite a few words , a bit like English really.
 

Pross

Veteran
Welsh borrows quite a few words , a bit like English really.

Basically, most words that came along since the attempts to kill it off as a living language. My favourite was watching rallying on S4C in the 90s where the only bit of commentary I understood was "RS Cosworth sideways".
 

AndyRM

Elder Goth
Basically, most words that came along since the attempts to kill it off as a living language. My favourite was watching rallying on S4C in the 90s where the only bit of commentary I understood was "RS Cosworth sideways".

To be fair, in rallying, do you need much more?
 

First Aspect

Legendary Member
Is there also an aspect of "ownership"?

In my day a discovery made eg by a PhD research where grant funded from public money was in the public domain. But these days so often a public money funded research project seems to end-up being the ownership of the researcher who goes set-up up their own private company exploiting those patents they now own, nothing back to the public who funded the discovery.

So if a discovery is reported in a less widespread language and the research repeated, later research resulting in patents, are patent lawyers expected to trawl back through all less widespread language publications to verify who actually discovered whatever?
Ah, well you've come to the right place, sir.

Academics, including post docs, are employees. Assuming they develop IP that is related to the purpose of their employment, their employer, the university normally, owns it automatically.

Students, including PhD students, own their own results because they are not employees.

This does not absolve the university from the obligation to publish work and protect IP (often a blanket contractual obligation under a grant), but they need to persuade the student to assign rights in order to do so. There is rarely or never a tension when it comes to academic publications, but it needs doing on a case by case basis if they invent something and the university wants to protect it.

Normally explaining how much it will cost gets it over the line.

Academics spending some of their time on spinouts is normal. Firstly, the revenue sharing for revenue arising from patents for academics is incredibly generous compared to other employers. Secondly, most academic contracts specifically allow a certain number of hours doing consultancy.

Switched on academics can thereby have their paws in quite a few pots. But although there are exceptions, not many make much money this way..
 
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briantrumpet

briantrumpet

Timewaster
Ah, well you've come to the right place, sir.

Academics, including post docs, are employees. Assuming they develop IP that is related to the purpose of their employment, their employer, the university normally, owns it automatically.

Students, including PhD students, own their own results because they are not employees.

This does not absolve the university from the obligation to publish work and protect IP (often a blanket contractual obligation under a grant), but they need to persuade the student to assign rights in order to do so. There is rarely or never a tension when it comes to academic publications, but it needs doing on a case by case basis if they invent something and the university wants to protect it.

Normally explaining how much it will cost gets it over the line.

Academics spending some of their time on spinouts is normal. Firstly, the revenue sharing for revenue arising from patents for academics is incredibly generous compared to other employers. Secondly, most academic contracts specifically allow a certain number of hours doing consultancy.

Switched on academics can thereby have their paws in quite a few pots. But although there are exceptions, not many make much money this way..

Thanks FA. I knew I was prodding the FA bear by raising the subject of language, chemistry, PhDs and intellectual copyright.
 
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