Can the (Met) police ever change?

[Ian H]

Serving met officer charged with two rapes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-63914891

So that's still a no for now.

 

[icowden]

So that's still a no for now.

This bit is interesting:

Commander Jon Savell, from the Met's professionalism command, said: "This news is deeply worrying and I recognise the concern it will cause the public and other police officers.
"We took immediate action to suspend PC Edwards from duty when he was first arrested in September.
"Legal proceedings are now active and it is important that I do not comment while that process takes place."

So he isn't going to comment except to say it is worrying - which is a comment and could be prejudicial given that PC Edwards has not had the benefit of his trial, and may yet be found not guilty.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Here's who's been in charge of the police watchdog....

View: https://twitter.com/Fhamiltontimes/status/1601249155015643136

 

[mudsticks]

Let's see how this pans out

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64233293 👀

 

[Bazzer]

Let's see how this pans out

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64233293 👀

Start using data to identify?
So why is it the sexual crimes unit hasn't previously heard of, or copied, the activities of counter terrorism, organised crime, etc?

 

[spen666]

Start using data to identify?
So why is it the sexual crimes unit hasn't previously heard of, or copied, the activities of counter terrorism, organised crime, etc?

Resources?

 

[BoldonLad]

Let's see how this pans out

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64233293 👀

The theory sounds OK, it reminds to be seen if the execution of the plan is effective.

If it does work, perhaps the rest of the Country can benefit from the experience.

 

[mudsticks]

Start using data to identify?
So why is it the sexual crimes unit hasn't previously heard of, or copied, the activities of counter terrorism, organised crime, etc?

Crimes not 'significant' enough.??

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

Resources?

The allocation of resources will always lead to prioritisation, particularly when resources are hard to come by. The inference is that sex crimes units haven't been a priority.

 

[mudsticks]

The allocation of resources will always lead to prioritisation, particularly when resources are hard to come by. The inference is that sex crimes units haven't been a priority.

It's going to take a lot of work for the Met to get confidence back around investigating sex crimes.

Even if they do put more resources that way.

Given the terrible attitudes, and criminality that has existed within their own ranks.

 

[theclaud]

It would probably be easier on resources if they just listened to what their workmates said in the canteen. Using counter-terrorism methods they'll probably just shoot random black men.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Let's see how this pans out

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-64233293 👀

Hard to believe they don't do this already to some extent, though probably been limited to very high risk child abusers and those on the register so any extension to other areas, like stalkers or serial domestic abusers, is welcome.

There's certainly a pattern of escalation to many domestic murders that could be broken if there was intervention from police and other services at an earlier stage.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/uk-49481998.amp

Big issue remains of how/why so few stalking and rape allegations reach court and how few overall convictions there are. That would be the main way to restore confidence I think.

 

[Ian H]

It's going to take a lot of work for the Met to get confidence back around investigating sex crimes.

Even if they do put more resources that way.

Given the terrible attitudes, and criminality that has existed within their own ranks.

They say they should be improving their vetting procedures, but who vets the vetters?

 

[AuroraSaab]

I think the vetting fails because it's possible to keep racist and misogynistic tendencies under wrap at school or work. You only show it amongst people you trust. Once you feel in a safe position, either socially or at work, and it becomes clear your views aren't unacceptable, then you can let fly. Hence the WhatsApp groups saying stuff they probably wouldn't articulate aloud.

Instead of police vetting just asking 'Was he/she trustworthy?' they might be better also asking 'What were his/her attitudes to women like? What language did he use?'. With all the Andrew Tate and incel stuff grooming kids online we are probably going to see more young men coming through with unacceptable attitudes. Some of these will inevitably end up in the police.

 

[BoldonLad]

I think the vetting fails because it's possible to keep racist and misogynistic tendencies under wrap at school or work. You only show it amongst people you trust. Once you feel in a safe position, either socially or at work, and it becomes clear your views aren't unacceptable, then you can let fly. Hence the WhatsApp groups saying stuff they probably wouldn't articulate aloud.

Instead of police vetting just asking 'Was he/she trustworthy?' they might be better also asking 'What were his/her attitudes to women like? What language did he use?'. With all the Andrew Tate and incel stuff grooming kids online we are probably going to see more young men coming through with unacceptable attitudes. Some of these will inevitably end up in the police.

Exactly. The Police are a subset of Society, and, there are some very unsavoury characters out there. Without very good initial vetting, and, ongoing vetting, it is inevitable that some will find their way into the Police Service (this is of course true of other sectors eg Fire Service, Ambulance Service, etc etc).