COP26: All talk or some real action on climate change?

[matticus]

As she had made a public swipe at the Govt. I was interested in what she'd done! Is it that difficult? It's got nothing to do with what I or others have or have not done. It's a legitimate question and there's no hypocrisy associated with it unless she's done bugger-all.

I don't really understand the point of the question: her job (running her estates etc, opening factories, putting out the recycling) is very different to the Government's job (and it will have exponentially less effect on climate change).

So how will you compare them?

And what is an acceptable level of planet-saving acts by Her Maj to shield her from your accusations of hypocrisy?

 

[mjr]

I would have thought you would have known my sense of humour by now! [...]

Rich privileged young western millennials complaining about how hard done by they are isn't remotely convincing.

Similarly, boomers claiming "bantz" after posting obnoxious gibberish isn't remotely convincing.

Maybe Palmer has a point, but he has lost it in logical disconnects and distraction offences.

Whatever you view on this panic is not the answer. [...]

Literally no-one has said otherwise. Please stop beating that Aunt Sally before you hurt yourself or others.

 

[Pale Rider]

I hate to admit it, but the UK has done a lot better than most

That's very sad, and can be a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you look hard enough you will always be able to find a stick with which to beat your country.

One example being your seemingly endless supply of Brexit is shite links from the Guardian.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Have you ever considered that the conspiracy was to do damage limitation on the exposure of scientists not being totally honest in their research and dealings with those they disagree with?

Ah, the old 'double bluff conspiracy theory' theory

Total bollux, of course, but I can see why some like to posit it as a possibility.

 

[mjr]

If you look hard enough you will always be able to find a stick with which to beat your country.

One example being your seemingly endless supply of Brexit is shite links from the Guardian.

I suspect that is just because Fabbers reads the Guardian, rather than is looking hard.

I can post a seemingly endless supply of Brexit is shoot links from Reuters, The Journal and a few French-language newspapers if you like, because that's what I read, rather than I'm looking hard for it. These days, you have to try hard to avoid seeing any articles about how shoot Brexit is, such as confining your reading to one of a few Brexit papers... which oddly enough seem to be the same papers being very negative about any chance of cop26 taking some real action!

 

[Fab Foodie]

That's very sad, and can be a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you look hard enough you will always be able to find a stick with which to beat your country.

One example being your seemingly endless supply of Brexit is shite links from the Guardian.

Brexit is shite.
Links from the Graun as that’s my first news source of the day. Boris et al lied theough their teeth and sold the people and a once great country down the river.

But credit where credit is due on the environment. We’ve started well, got early leads in many areas. My big concern is that we’ll squander great opportunities. Time will tell.

I’m a pragmatic voter, anything is possible….

 

[Fab Foodie]

I don't really understand the point of the question: her job (running her estates etc, opening factories, putting out the recycling) is very different to the Government's job (and it will have exponentially less effect on climate change).

So how will you compare them?

And what is an acceptable level of planet-saving acts by Her Maj to shield her from your accusations of hypocrisy?

Feck meeeeeeeeee………
There is no yardstick. But what is the Royal lousehold doing to reduce it’s impact on the climate and environment?
Are they actively trying to reduce their carbon footprint?
Are they introducing energy saving measures, investing in solar, electric carriages. What are they doing to reduce waste, especially plastics? Are they involved in rewilding. Have they stopped shooting things and encouraging grouse moors. Are they eating less meat and dairy. Are they still burning logs in the great fireplaces, yadda yadda yadda.
Or are they doing nothing but talking?
It’s not difficult.

 

[matticus]

I don't know. It won't surprise me if none of the NACAs (although they might). What then?
(You might have to Google it, let us know how you get on 👍)

 

[Fab Foodie]

Here @matticus I’ll help with a bit of the answer….
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...cheese-wine-byproducts?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other



https://www.theguardian.com/environ...-and-transform-estates?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...t-to-rewilding-estates?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[matticus]

That's a change from tradition: you've mistyped Google as "Guardian"!

 

[Fab Foodie]

That's a change from tradition: you've mistyped Google as "Guardian"!

https://www.royal.uk/royal-household-and-environment

So there you go, like most of us some good, some could do better….

 

[Fab Foodie]

@matticus

Goodnight x

 

[mjr]

@matticus
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Goodnight x

It's always jarring not to see Leonard Rossiter's face. Would carrying a mask for such photos have a noticeable carbon emissions cost?

 

[Unkraut]

Whatever you view on this panic is not the answer.

Literally no-one has said otherwise.

It's the doing that's the problem. Merkel for one. Let me give you another concrete example. Ms Activist (20-ish) being interviewed about the climate conference comes out and says 'all new Autobahns and repairs should stop at once'. Emoting rather than thinking, driven by fear leading to a panicked reaction. What are you going to do with all the unemployed as a result of this, let alone putting the boot into the car industry?

There may be (is!) masses of hot air being emitted by politicians, but that (unemployment) is a good reason not to allow teenagers to start getting their hands on policy. I'm not knocking them for being concerned about their futures, but there needs to be some balance here.

Ah, the old 'double bluff conspiracy theory' theory

I gave up on the leaked e-mails years ago, but I could have told you within days of them being released that sooner or later they would be safely discounted, nothing to see here move on. Can't unread them though. Everything that might even slightly qualify the narrative is "refuted".

I was even assured in a previous NACA incarnation that the predictions of a possible new ice age in the 70's had been "refuted". Trouble is, I am old enough to remember them. Didn't take them particularly seriously, but we mustn't ever allow the impression that scientists could ever get this kind of thing wrong, let alone be lacking in integrity.

 

[mudsticks]

The COPs not done yet I'm still here.
The powers that be are still wrangling.
Those most affected are least represented.

It's the doing that's the problem. Merkel for one. Let me give you another concrete example. Ms Activist (20-ish) being interviewed about the climate conference comes out and says 'all new Autobahns and repairs should stop at once'. Emoting rather than thinking, driven by fear leading to a panicked reaction. What are you going to do with all the unemployed as a result of this, let alone putting the boot into the car industry?

There may be (is!) masses of hot air being emitted by politicians, but that (unemployment) is a good reason not to allow teenagers to start getting their hands on policy. I'm not knocking them for being concerned about their futures, but there needs to be some balance here.

I gave up on the leaked e-mails years ago, but I could have told you within days of them being released that sooner or later they would be safely discounted, nothing to see here move on. Can't unread them though. Everything that might even slightly qualify the narrative is "refuted".

I was even assured in a previous NACA incarnation that the predictions of a possible new ice age in the 70's had been "refuted". Trouble is, I am old enough to remember them. Didn't take them particularly seriously, but we mustn't ever allow the impression that scientists could ever get this kind of thing wrong, let alone be lacking in integrity.

You're not even responding to my posts.

Despite the fact that I'm actually here representing my sector.

It's not 'emotional' to point out the nonsense of building more roads for more cars when we should be using cars less , and certainly fewer of a different sort.

Or preferably public transport or or even cycling.

Other forms of employment are available, in a transition to to a more green and just society.

The fear you are spreading is of the loss of jobs in industry which in its current form continues to create climate change.

Climate change which is happening now.

People's livelihoods, lives even, are already being lost, as a result of climate change.
Only they're in the global south , so they don't count right.??