COP26: All talk or some real action on climate change?

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I think you're probably right. But I'd emphasise that almost no-one except Johnson's government has significant power. The Queen doesn't make any laws! Greta doesn't, I don't, Fabbers doesn't. Attenborough doesn't, nobody on Springwatch does ...

(There might be some local councils who should also be in the firing line, if I try to follow my own logic ... )
Thunberg inspires the youngsters,Queeny appeals to the Mail brigade, Attenborough to his many fans....you get my point ?
Everyone has a role to play,but the ones who hold the power have the means to change it.
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
it's still fair to ask what the accuser (the Queen in this case) is doing herself

The Queen is using her influence, sparingly as always.

She grasps that half a dozen overheard words from her will have more impact than hundreds of loudmouthed words from anyone else.

But at the same time she does still allow herself to be taken to her husband's funeral in a petrol Bentley.

Like it or not, the public expects pomp and palaces from the monarch, so it's not an option for the Queen to live in a yurt on Salisbury Plain.
 

mudsticks

Squire
Massive difference of hypocrisy I think.This goverment/Johnson trying to show to the world some sort of moral authority at cop26 is so far removed from their actual policies,makes them fair game for criticism I think !
I'd say the average activist on the street/at home trying their best should feel no guilt....we/the media should be focusing our attacks on the ones who hold power !

Yes it's the power brokers including big corps who are mostly blocking meaningful action.

One heartening thing to come out of COP is the solidarity shown between grassroots organisations, at all levels .

From UK Unions, to indigenous rainforest peoples, all around the need for urgent action.

And resisting greenwashing, and bullsh*t fake solutions such as offsetting and carbon trading.

The people, and the systems and the mindset that caused this, are still holding the reins..

I can't say enough how public support and engagement on all this is key..

You don't have to glue yourself to stuff to be an 'activist' you can express your support in so many other ways.
 

Fab Foodie

Legendary Member
Like it or not, the public expects pomp and palaces from the monarch, so it's not an option for the Queen to live in a yurt on Salisbury Plain.
Sadly not, but that doesn't mean that she cannot be making positive changes in her own household and lead by example rather than dictat...
 

matticus

Guru
Sadly not, but that doesn't mean that she cannot be making positive changes in her own household and lead by example rather than dictat...
Earlier you threw around the word "semantics" - but the thing is, this stuff IS all subjective. What level of changes would make you happy?
There are some who would criticise whatever - unless she actually flogs off the Bentleys and palaces to fund polar bear charities.
(We've seen the same with B***s promoting cycling in London, and riding to work without a Bentley. Some will never give him credit ... )

One of many reasons I'm wary of "hypocrisy" talk ...
 

theclaud

Reading around the chip
That's the nature of monarchy.

It would save you a lot of keyboard bashing if you knew your place.
Luckily we don't live in an absolute monarchy, so the brown-nosing, cap-doffing and bootlicking are entirely optional. Have you ever thought of moving to Brunei?
 

Fab Foodie

Legendary Member
Earlier you threw around the word "semantics" - but the thing is, this stuff IS all subjective. What level of changes would make you happy?
There are some who would criticise whatever - unless she actually flogs off the Bentleys and palaces to fund polar bear charities.
(We've seen the same with B***s promoting cycling in London, and riding to work without a Bentley. Some will never give him credit ... )

One of many reasons I'm wary of "hypocrisy" talk ...
Of course it's subjective! There is no perfect. But there are shades of good/better/best in-between nothing and something. All I'm asking is what our Monarch, employer, estate owner, person of influence is doing other than accusing the Govt. (and by implication other leaders) is doing to help towards CC other than talking! It's a perfectly reasonable question. For all I know it may be a lot, but my suspicion is that it's actually very little.

Shouting hypocrisy every time somebody challenges what people/companies/Institutions/nations are doing get's us nowhere....

I never expected the Spanish Inquisition.

Edit: btw, you started the 'Hypocrisy talk', remember?
 
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Fab Foodie

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Only if they made me the Sultan.
You can be the Sultan of....

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FishFright

Well-Known Member
The mails themselves gave the context. Have you ever considered that the conspiracy was to do damage limitation on the exposure of scientists not being totally honest in their research and dealings with those they disagree with?

Which of the many Al Gore tipping points do you have in mind?

My noticing the female predominance of climate discussions may not have any point whatsoever! It's a bit strange though in the new era of equality. Perhaps we are seeing the rise of the Matriarchy. :smile:

Pay attention at the back
 

matticus

Guru
Shouting hypocrisy every time somebody challenges what people/companies/Institutions/nations are doing get's us nowhere....

I never expected the Spanish Inquisition.

Edit: btw, you started the 'Hypocrisy talk', remember?
eh?!? So what was your comment about the Queen??

[I'm assuming you aren't rewinding back to the Unkraut discussions!]
 

Fab Foodie

Legendary Member
eh?!? So what was your comment about the Queen??

[I'm assuming you aren't rewinding back to the Unkraut discussions!]
As she had made a public swipe at the Govt. I was interested in what she'd done! Is it that difficult? It's got nothing to do with what I or others have or have not done. It's a legitimate question and there's no hypocrisy associated with it unless she's done bugger-all.

I hate to admit it, but the UK has done a lot better than most wrt CC, but can still do more as could we all.

Right, laters darling, I have a plane to catch....
 

Unkraut

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The anonymous open letter you quote seems to be attempting to use advances in infant mortality to excuse continuing unnecessary pollution, which is absurd, concluding with an argument that we shouldn't panic, but I don't recall Greta standing under a banner calling for panic. It's the second-worst sort of distracting rhetoric and I'm disappointed you seem to have fallen for it.
I would have thought you would have known my sense of humour by now!

The open letter was by Boris Palmer, Bürgermeister/mayor of Tübingen and a leading light in the German Green party. Wrote and excellent book called 'first the facts then the morals'. Included a chapter about climate change in which he actually interacted with the arguments most commonly put up by sceptics - an unusual thing to happen. A very perceptive observer of the social media scene.

If you read the letter again you will see he is on board with the climate narrative. He wrote the open letter because the use (what I consider abuse by adults) of Thunberg and her delivery of the how dare you speech is likely to backfire amongst the large part of the population who need to persuaded to change their lives - unless a totalitarian government has to do it for them. He is very good at looking at the bigger picture when people make environmental claims.

Rich privileged young western millennials complaining about how hard done by they are isn't remotely convincing. Palmer wasn't quite as blunt as that, but the idea is fully justified.

Whatever you view on this panic is not the answer. Merkel panicked after the Japanese tsunami and rapidly withdrew from nuclear energy. Renewables simply can't make up the difference yet, so it was a totally irrational decision if you are getting out of fossil fuel use.
 
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