Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

My word, you are so politically unaware. Essentially when you pay someone to say something, they tend to say what they are paid to say. When this doesn't happen, people are astonished. Eg Sue Grey.

He's a professor of psychiatry, with 40 years of NHS experience, who runs a unit specialising in suicide. He once withdrew from a presentation to the MOJ because he was told not to discuss the relevance of staffing levels in prison.

That you'd undermine the integrity of an expert, whilst presenting unevidenced allegations from Jolyon Maughan as facts on here, doesn't surprise me at all.

If you - who claims to have seen the coroner reports - and Maughan have the evidence let's see it so it can be assessed.

 

[monkers]

If you - who claims to have seen the coroner reports

That's a lie. When will you ever stop? I suspect never. No lie is too big so long as it supports your cause. I read stuff, and I posted links to it.

 

[monkers]

What are you on about here? I'm not aware that she has ever sad something because she was paid to do so.

My point is that she is an example of someone who reported as required. Johnson wanted a whitewash. Everyone expected a whitewash. But it didn't happen, probably because she could not find innocence when the police were likely to find guilt. Johnson said he was 'shocked and surprised' by the report.

 

[monkers]

He's a professor of psychiatry, with 40 years of NHS experience, who runs a unit specialising in suicide. He once withdrew from a presentation to the MOJ because he was told not to discuss the relevance of staffing levels in prison.

And you are not surprised that he doesn't bite the hand that feed him?

 

[AuroraSaab]

That's a lie. When will you ever stop? I suspect never. No lie is too big so long as it supports your cause. I read stuff, and I posted links to it.

You claimed you'd read coroner reports. When challenged you then listed public news reports, not coroner reports, some of which included quotes from coroner reports. None of which said not getting puberty blockers caused their suicide.

This is you:

You have posted unevidenced claims, of a type that go expressly against all professional advice on discussing suicide and which are known to contribute to suicidal ideation in young people.

Having failed to produce the evidence and seeing your claims dismissed by the top expert you double down and suggest the expert is corrupt. But oh look, even Jolyon Maugham is walking it back now:

You've seen the evidence so you could no doubt drop Jolyon an email and explain the 'figures and analysis' that he's suddenly got difficulties with. Pop a copy in the post to Prof Appleby whilst you're at it. I'm sure you know better than him as he's only an 'expert in mental health statistics'.

https://www.theguardian.com/society...urbed-puberty-blockers?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[multitool]

Here's somebody who knows what they are talking about:

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...r-children-ban-puberty-blockers-wes-streeting

Aurora will be along to tell the Dr why he is wrong. Clearly Aurora's ideologically driven opinions should take preference over his informed, expert, therapeutically centred stance.

 

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[Bromptonaut]

The full report on suicide etc is here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rtman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

 

[multitool]

The full report on suicide etc is here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...rtman-nhs-foundation-trust-independent-report

Given the tiny number of young people actually given puberty blockers (versus the false information spread by Aurora and her chums that they were handed out like sweets) I would be surprised if there a difference between suicides pre and post ban. We do know that there have been some suicides post ban, but as I've said before the number will be small, and we will never know who they are. The report backs up what I said a week or two ago.

I'm not a big fan of Jolyon Maugham. He represents the other side of the grifting coin (Aurora's heroine is on the other side).

Here is his response to the report for those interested:


View: https://x.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1814364410720219323

His central claim is that the DHSC report is analysing a much narrower set of data, and does not include people on the waiting list. He has a point here, but given the nature of suicide inquests* it is a point that will be hard to prove one way or another.

*Having done some academic work relating to this, I can tell you that verdicts of suicide are fraught with difficulty. It is not at all straightforward to determine if a death is suicide and even harder to be sure about motive, regardless of suicide notes etc.

 

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[multitool]

Yes, we realise you need simple bullet points, Andy, but most people here are intelligent enough to click on the report link you already posted and read the report for themselves.

No need to spam this thread with endless dickheads giving their pointless 'take'.

 

[Deleted member 159]

Not going so well for trans movement

Banned from most sports
Cass report
Banned puberty blockers
Politicians drop 'trans women are women'
Women only jobs for women
Facts being debunked about suicide

Women standing up for themselves, have a huge social media presence

 

[multitool]

Zero actual difference to women's lives*

It's all about hate.

*bar certain sports where I, and doubtless many trans people themselves, agree. But even then, it's minimal given the actual number of TW athletes.

 

[monkers]

Not going so well for trans movement

Banned from most sports
Cass report
Banned puberty blockers
Politicians drop 'trans women are women'
Women only jobs for women
Facts being debunked about suicide

Women standing up for themselves, have a huge social media presence

All because of the ideology behind bigotry.

In this area of healthcare, like no other I know of, the professionals with the requisite expertise are positioned by their critics as having been “captured by ideology” and therefore lacking in credibility. Meanwhile, those without the expertise are positioned as “independent”, which critics argue makes them better able to evaluate the evidence – despite having never worked in the field and having no understanding of its complexities.

 

[monkers]

You have posted unevidenced claims, of a type that go expressly against all professional advice on discussing suicide and which are known to contribute to suicidal ideation in young people.

Cornoners' reports are not unevidenced claims. It doesn't matter how many times you repeat your lies, they never become true, but the greater effect they have on you to believe you are telling the truth. It is self delusion.