Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

Good job I screen shot the graph and put it under the link then. Which I did precisely so you don't need the link - because Statista block viewings and make you pay if you've visited the site a few times.

 

[classic33]

Incomprehensible.

It became that when you altered the quoted post to suit yourself.
Something you're quite happy doing when "quoting" someone but giving no source for the quote.
Basically the IBA have a testing issue. One which countries have had issues with. At this moment, their test procedures and regime is in doubt.
The IBA, chaired by Russia, "broke the news" after being informed that their testing procedure wouldn't be used in the current Olympics. Instead those of the FBU(Host Nation) would be used instead.

It's not hateful to be afraid of male violence against women. The question is why you are cheering it on.

Of the two of us, you're the only one "cheering it on". Which says more about you.

You haven't even seen the 2 boxers at the centre of the allegations? Sounds about right for you.

And you've seen all of Armstrong's race wins. The doped ones and the undoped. If not, why is you passing judgment any different.

 

[classic33]

Good job I screen shot the graph and put it under the link then. Which I did precisely so you don't need the link - because Statista block viewings and make you pay if you've visited the site a few times.

Already pay for using the site. Still the link you posted leads elsewhere.

Why would that be?
Plain old deceit maybe.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I didn't alter your post when I quoted. That's a clearly verifiable lie on your part.

The link doesn't lead elsewhere. The data is given anyway.

The IBA testing was done at a CAS verified lab.

Why do we need to know which races Armstrong was doped in? The point is he had an advantage whether he won or not.

Why don't you just agree that the solution is all athletes be swab tested so we know it's fair? Why are you so set against this simple solution?

You will go through any amount of gymnastics to let men into women's sports and spaces. That's the long and the short of it. There's literally nothing you think women should be allowed to have for themselves.

 

[classic33]

I didn't alter your post when I quoted. That's a clearly verifiable lie on your part.

Verify it then!

The link doesn't lead elsewhere. The data is given anyway.

I posted the title of the report, which didn't match what you were claiming.

I The IBA testing was done at a CAS verified lab.

A Lab that contradicted and questioned it's own results. It cleared a women to box, then disqualified them, then allowed them. Each time the results voided the previous. But it was their testing regime for banned substance's that were the biggest concern, before the Olympics.
Which is why the IBA testing facilities weren't used. The FBU were chosen instead to provide the testing. Apparently, you feel they aren't qualified to do the testing.
Why do we need to know which races Armstrong was doped in? The point is he had an advantage whether he won or not.

Why don't you just agree that the solution is all athletes be swab tested so we know it's fair? Why are you so set against this simple solution?

You will go through any amount of gymnastics to let men into women's sports and spaces. That's the long and the short of it. There's literally nothing you think women should be allowed to have for themselves.

Why can't you just accept that the FBU are just as capable of doing the testing.

There's a set proceedure that has to be followed, and so far the FBU are sticking to that procedure. That you don't like it is neither here nor there. You don't get to call the shots. Accept that.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Verify it then!

People can look themselves and see I literally just quoted your post. If they can be arsed obvs.

I posted the title of the report, which didn't match what you were claiming.

No idea what this even means. It's there for people to see.

A Lab that contradicted and questioned it's own results. It cleared a women to box, then disqualified them, then allowed them. Each time the results voided the previous. But it was their testing regime for banned substance's that were the biggest concern, before the Olympics.

First I've heard of any of that. You'd think that would have been mentioned by news outlets.

Which is why the IBA testing facilities weren't used. The FBU were chosen instead to provide the testing. Apparently, you feel they aren't qualified to do the testing.

What testing are they doing? Link please. I'd love them to do the sex testing.

Why do we need to know which races Armstrong was doped in? The point is he had an advantage whether he won or not.

Er... yes, exactly. So whether a male boxer is beaten by 10 women in a comp is irrelevant; he still has male body advantage.

Why can't you just accept that the FBU are just as capable of doing the testing.

When are the tests, Classic? What tests have they done or will be doing? You seem to know an awful lot more than the world's news outlets about these tests.

There's a set proceedure that has to be followed, and so far the FBU are sticking to that procedure. That you don't like it is neither here nor there. You don't get to call the shots. Accept that.

I get to campaign against men in women's sports as much as I like, thanks. And you can campaign for the right of men to punch women in the head as much as you like too. I'm sure you will.

 

[Deleted member 159]

IOC have admitted they received the boxing authorities test results last year.

Their stance now is to try and smear the results as invalid, won't discuss the matter, they're outraged that this information was leaked.

IOC caught suppressing information


View: https://x.com/JournalismSEEN/status/1820049888152875337?t=Vr65Kj_ZL05dHlfSAz02gw&s=19

 

[Deleted member 159]

JK Rowling helps staff fight cases of gender beliefs by donating to their case, via Crowdjustice

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...ankrolls-legal-fight-workplace-gender-police/

 

[Deleted member 159]

So it looks like the IOC accepted the passport as proof of sex


View: https://x.com/ReduxxMag/status/1820446201843442097?t=ExihmcA80EEWS4zCMN-Raw&s=19

 

[AuroraSaab]

As I understand it the IOC admit they were told the boxers had failed the sex tests over a year ago. The boxers have refused permission for the IOC to release the results of these tests.

The IOC, knowing they had failed sex tests, instead of ordering their own tests, chose to accept the info on their passports which says female.

Can you imagine if this were about drugs in a men's sport? Failed a drug test, didn't appeal, allowed into the Olympics anyway, oh and I'm not telling you what the test results were and I'm not doing another test, thanks.

Now more women have to fight men in the Olympics. It's absolutely f*cking shameful. The IOC are a disgrace and a danger to women boxers and to women's sports. Bach should resign immediately.

 

[AndyRM]

This is worth a read about the boxers, and broader approach to issues with gender testing.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crlr8gp813ko

 

[Beebo]

As I understand it the IOC admit they were told the boxers had failed the sex tests over a year ago. The boxers have refused permission for the IOC to release the results of these tests.

The IOC, knowing they had failed sex tests, instead of ordering their own tests, chose to accept the info on their passports which says female.

Can you imagine if this were about drugs in a men's sport? Failed a drug test, didn't appeal, allowed into the Olympics anyway, oh and I'm not telling you what the test results were and I'm not doing another test, thanks.

Now more women have to fight men in the Olympics. It's absolutely f*cking shameful. The IOC are a disgrace and a danger to women boxers and to women's sports. Bach should resign immediately.

the problem is that they aren’t men and never have been men.
They are genetic anomalies, who have always considered themselves women as they don’t have male genitalia.
It’s incredibly tricky and needs some clever people to work this through.
I would be on your side of the argument if they were born male and under went a late stage transition.
There is also loads of political infighting in boxing so the old governing body will do anything they can to discredit the new one.

 

[AuroraSaab]

They are males. Males with a dsd. A dsd that (possibly, we don't know) gave them ambiguous genitalia which resulted in them erroneously being recorded as female at birth (again, we don't even know if they were). It's unfortunate but women and girls shouldn't have to pay the price.

How you consider yourself isn't relevant to sport.

It isn't tricky or complicated. It's a medical condition being presented as a human rights issue in order to allow men into women's sports. It's massively unfair to women, and in this case dangerous.

 

[Deleted member 159]

the problem is that they aren’t men and never have been men.
They are genetic anomalies, who have always considered themselves women as they don’t have male genitalia.

They have the XY chromosome, they are male by definition. They have a genetic disorder which can lead to confusion as to their sex at birth, but a simple swab test would have determined that.

All athletes should be tested to ascertain beyond doubt that they are either female or male.

What they consider themselves is irrelevant, its the science that proves they're male or female.

 

[Bromptonaut]

They have the XY chromosome, they are male by definition. They have a genetic disorder which can lead to confusion as to their sex at birth, but a simple swab test would have determined that.

All athletes should be tested to ascertain beyond doubt that they are either female or male.

What they consider themselves is irrelevant, its the science that proves they're male or female.

If you read the BBC article linked above you'll see DSD is more complicated than some binary x/y stuff.