Gender again. Sorry!

[multitool]

Some parallels to be drawn between treatment of trans people now and treatment of gay and lesbian people 60 years ago:

https://www.bps.org.uk/psychologist/aversion-therapy-personal-account

 

[newfhouse]

Isn't it incoherent again? Conversion is a synonym for transition. They want to ban any conversion of homosexuals because this is orientation is fixed, yet allow it for transgender because sexuality is fluid. If someone wants to change from homosexuality or wants to detransition, shouldn't they be allowed to get the help they need if they request it? (I would hope the latter is not included in any ban.)

No. Conversion implies an element of outside influence, compulsion even. Transition is based more on personal choice and empowerment.

Funnily enough it’s another spectrum rather than a binary split. Funny old world, innit?

 

[multitool]

View: https://twitter.com/LGBwiththeT/status/1623347201467461633?s=20&t=7w21z5QBh9t2v06bUjL-xQ


AS will be pleased about this. This is the link they want people to make in their heads.

 

[matticus]

I think, after 111 pages and 1660 posts or thereabouts, anybody whose mind wasn't made up before is not going to change now.....

With every page, I learn something about one or more posters. It's been very illuminating

 

[monkers]

With every page, I learn something about one or more posters. It's been very illuminating

Make a list. 😉 You know you want to.

 

[Ian H]

Make a list. 😉 You know you want to.

Evidence to be used against us?

 

[monkers]

Evidence to be used against us?

Irony - but obviously poorly executed.

There was a presumption from Matticus of what they had learnt about us. I responded with a presumption of what I had learnt about them, wanting to make a list. Maybe I was too subtle, but the irony was based on a fiction as I don't know that I've learnt anything about Matticus, probably nothing. Good job I don't have a day job as any kind of comic eh.

 

[Ian H]

Irony - but obviously poorly executed.

There was a presumption from Matticus of what they had learnt about us. I responded with a presumption of what I had learnt about them, wanting to make a list. Maybe I was too subtle, but the irony was based on a fiction as I don't know that I've learnt anything about Matticus, probably nothing. Good job I don't have a day job as any kind of comic eh.

I did get the humour.

 

[matticus]

Evidence to be used against us?

I can see why you read it that way! But I actually meant the personalities being revealed, warts and all ...

 

[Ian H]

I can see why you read it that way! But I actually meant the personalities being revealed, warts and all ...

Though some people's online personalities seem to significantly differ from their real life ones.

 

[matticus]

Though some people's online personalities seem to significantly differ from their real life ones.

Is that your way of saying you don't think I'm a racist sexist tw@t in real life?
(Go on, admit it - I won't tell anyone! x)

 

[multitool]

More of a wibbler, I'd say

 

[Ian H]

Is that your way of saying you don't think I'm a racist sexist tw@t in real life?
(Go on, admit it - I won't tell anyone! x)

My rule is to never admit anything to anyone.

 

[multitool]

View: https://twitter.com/ICanSeeForever1/status/1624012195565563905?s=20&t=2C2u3PhY8wk1JocMb7O3Ng


Everyone's favourite neo-fascist grifter comparing her struggle to that of African slaves

 

[Unkraut]

Some parallels to be drawn between treatment of trans people now and treatment of gay and lesbian people 60 years ago:

That was 60 years ago. Why are they proposing to ban something that isn't happening?

More to the point I'm still intrigued as to how you can have a fixed innate attraction to a gender when the latter is a fluid social construct.

Isn't transgenderism the end of thinking?

Do you think only women should decide what a woman is? 🙂