Gender again. Sorry!

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Feel free to campaign for additional mixed sex facilities for those who do not wish to use the spaces allocated for their biological sex.
I'm trying to imagine what it would be like on both sides.
Example 1: A biological woman who dresses "manly" would probably not get any flack if using a woman's toilet or changing room and would probably feel relatively safe. As long as they don't appear so manly to the extent of passing for a man (and potentially being "reported" for using the wrong toilet).
Example 2: A biological man, dressed as a woman, in a male toilet, especially in a pub at night, is unlikely to feel safe. Just because, men are often violent cretins and women generally aren't.

If it were my son for example, I would not like to think he had to use a male toilet whilst dressed as a woman in the local meat market nightclub. I would prefer he had his own space where his appearance would likely be "normal" and tolerated
 

AuroraSaab

Pharaoh
They said the same about disabled toilets but somehow service providers managed to implement it. It's not a problem for women to solve by giving men access to their spaces, though is it.

Yes, women have missed out. Saying 'Men have been crossing women's boundaries for years so what's the problem?' isn't a good argument for allowing them to continue to do so.

I'm trying to imagine what it would be like on both sides.
Example 1: A biological woman who dresses "manly" would probably not get any flack if using a woman's toilet or changing room and would probably feel relatively safe. As long as they don't appear so manly to the extent of passing for a man (and potentially being "reported" for using the wrong toilet).
Example 2: A biological man, dressed as a woman, in a male toilet, especially in a pub at night, is unlikely to feel safe. Just because, men are often violent cretins and women generally aren't.

If it were my son for example, I would not like to think he had to use a male toilet whilst dressed as a woman in the local meat market nightclub. I would prefer he had his own space where his appearance would likely be "normal" and tolerated

That's why a third mixed sex option is preferable. It's been suggested for years.Trans organisations reject this solution though.

Regardless, male violence is not a problem for women to solve. The argument that some make (not you) that these men must be allowed into women's spaces because male ones aren't safe expects women to be human shields for men that other men don't like. They aren't. It's also illogical - men are a risk to other men; except when they're in women's spaces, then men become harmless.

Once again it's all about toilets though.
Perhaps you guys didn't know there were parts of the country where rape crisis services wouldn't guarantee that their support groups won't include men, where women went to meetings to discuss their rape and found themselves sat with a man.
Hopefully that won't happen anymore.
 

icowden

Pharaoh
That's why a third mixed sex option is preferable. It's been suggested for years.Trans organisations reject this solution though.
As does anyone with more than two braincells to rub together. That third option of yours might work in a motorway service station or a department store, but for the majority of small restaurants, theatres, etc, there isn't room.

Therefore the ultimate result of your crusade will be fewer Ladies toilets, not more. It's cheaper and easier to make a toilet unisex than it is to find space that doesn't exist so that you can supply a toilet to an audience that may not be there.
 
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