Gender again. Sorry!

[AuroraSaab]

The ratio of women MSPs voting in favour of the GR Bill to those against, was 3:1. And, of course, the leader of the government proposing the Bill was, herself, a woman. You'd think they'd have a vested interest wouldn't you, the wee dafties.

Why were all parties except the Tories whipped to vote for it if it had such overwhelming support?
Why were MSP's whipped to vote against the ammendment that would have prevented sex offenders getting a GRC?

Why wasn't it a free vote?

Plenty of women fail to have insight into or empathy for others in vulnerable situations. Sturgeon also tried to push through the legislation that would have prevented female victims of sexual assault from being able to insist on being examined by a biological female doctor rather than someone who simply identified as female. She's more interested in her own ambitions than anybody's welfare, including women's.

 

[multitool]

If you want to understand just how recent the radicalisation of people to become anti-trans is, just consider that the Conservative Party led by Theresa May in 2017 was pro selfID.

The bigots are now at the wheel.

 

[AuroraSaab]

Lots of people were sympathetic years ago because people recognised that there were a tiny number of people who had genuine body dysphoria and who should be offered some accommodation.

That was before groups like Stonewall made it one of their aims and objectives to get rid of the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act. It was before the police started recording male crimes as female ones. It was before they started putting men in women's prisons and before males insisted on entering women's sports. These demands radicalise people.

Plus stuff like this, obviously:

 

[icowden]

None. But if he believes it hard enough it becomes true.
I mean, here he was yesterday thinking up a brand new condition called "gender dysmorphia".
Clearly, somebody who really knows what he's talking about.🤭

My humble apologies your lordship.
It seems that I managed during a quick reply to confuse gender dysphoria with body dysmorphia both of which are known conditions that affect people who are Trans.

I beg your forgiveness for failing to live up to your utter perfection and will do my best not to make such foolish errors again. If you offer me your fist my Lord, I shall run into it.

If you have finished with the pedantry and personal attacks perhaps you could make some salient points in response to some of the issues raised on the thread?

 

[icowden]

What evidence do you have that they are suppressing their actual beliefs in pursuit of money?

None at all. By the same token I have no evidence that usually garrulous comedians don't believe that women are women, but strangely few of them make jokes about Trans rights, gender dysphoria or any aspect of the contentious argument around it. Contrast that to the number of Comedians willing to nail their colours to the mast on Brexit for example.

Or look at Comedians who joke and talk about equality and women's rights. All strangely silent on the subject.
It seems to have become taboo. Any discussion about Women's rights and Trans rights resulted in anyone supporting women's rights being banned from Twitter or Facebook. We have been told that talking about it will kill Trans people because they are so extremely delicate.

The only permitted argument is that women both cis and lesbian should just allow Trans women to do whatever needs to be done. Anything else is unconscionable.

If that isn't true, why isn't Jeremy Vine having a debate about it? Why isn't the Last Leg reading out "Is it OK that a male rapist who is now a woman is in a women's prison?". The only vague mention of the subject despite its prevalence in the press has been to allow Glinner to be nominated for Dick of the Year a few years back.

Women must be silenced in order to save men who are now women. That is the only option available.

 

[newfhouse]

None at all.

Thanks, that’s what I thought. Given that, it’s odd that you follow up with more in a similar vein. Moral panic is powerful stuff, isn’t it?

 

[icowden]

Thanks, that’s what I thought. Given that, it’s odd that you follow up with more in a similar vein. Moral panic is powerful stuff, isn’t it?

I see you incisively jumped in to offer an argument to the contrary.

 

[newfhouse]

I see you incisively jumped in to offer an argument to the contrary.

Look, I don’t want to fall out over this, but wasn’t it you that agreed you’d made an evidence-free allegation? I don’t see much point in adding to your admission.

 

[multitool]

None at all. By the same token I have no evidence that usually garrulous comedians don't believe that women are women, but strangely few of them make jokes about Trans rights, gender dysphoria or any aspect of the contentious argument around it. Contrast that to the number of l talk about equality and women's rights. All strangely silent on the subject.

Yeah, it's unheard of. I mean, you might get a quiet joke whispered in a pub somewhere, but you'd absolutely never get an actual comedian doing it, let alone on tv, or one of the most famous comedians in the anglophone world on a global streaming platform viewed by billions. And of course even if they did make a joke about trans women or implied they weren't women they would be straight in prison.


View: https://youtu.be/WID6w4_gtwo

It seems to have become taboo. Any discussion about Women's rights and Trans rights resulted in anyone supporting women's rights being banned from Twitter or Facebook. We have been told that talking about it will kill Trans people because they are so extremely delicate.

Yeah. No TERF stuff on twitter at all. Never has been. In fact TERFs just don't have a voice at all. You never hear any anyi-trans stuff anywhere

The only permitted argument is that women both cis and lesbian should just allow Trans women to do whatever needs to be done. Anything else is unconscionable.

Yeah, I've never heard any argument at all against trans rights, not even the one raging here now on this actual thread.

Women must be silenced in order to save men who are now women. That is the only option available.

Yeah. You never hear the women, even though of course they are all anti-trans rights, especially being allowed in women's loos. We know this because AuroraSaab said so because she speaks for all women.

I clicked on YouTube earlier and typed 'Posie Parker'. I mean I dont know who she is, or if she even exists, a bit like Emmanuel Goldstein, but somebody whispered the name to me. Nothing there. Silenced. No clips at all of her on mainstream TV channels here in UK or in US on shows like Tucker Carlson. Nothing. All those shows are just end to end interviews with trans manladies


View: https://youtu.be/kT262_vpzjI



View: https://youtu.be/FfI6KBXnbo0



View: https://youtu.be/Nof-BwTqr84



View: https://youtu.be/FsY8DMoqaps

Here's some more clips of Posie Parker not appearing on mainstream tv:

https://youtu.be/09EfN2zqkww


https://youtu.be/DKV0gaSj-kw

https://youtu.be/7084F_89GtA

https://youtu.be/jT7BhMh3uQs


And just for the lolz here she isn't on Facebook ( because you never get anti-trans people on Facebook) proving what an absolute dumbfuk she, and by extension her supporters, actually is. Deep stuff:

https://www.facebook.com/makeitlegalWA/videos/1498053714020325/



You continue to raise profound and irrefutable points, icowden. Keep going.

 

[matticus]

If you offer me your fist

Nooooooo! It's like all the worst bits of Meat Loaf songs mashed together - don't do it!!!!!!!!

 

[matticus]

The bigots are now at the wheel.

Says you, labelling everyone as "anti-trans" if they disagree with your views on gender.

 

[icowden]

Yeah, it's unheard of. I mean, you might get a quiet joke whispered in a pub somewhere, but you'd absolutely never get an actual comedian doing it, let alone on tv, or one of the most famous comedians in the anglophone world on a global streaming platform viewed by billions. And of course even if they did make a joke about trans women or implied they weren't women they would be straight in prison.

It raised a great deal of controversy and many requests for Gervais to be banned and the show to be withdrawn from broacast IIRC

Yeah. No TERF stuff on twitter at all. Never has been. In fact TERFs just don't have a voice at all. You never hear any anyi-trans stuff anywhere

No, because Twitter used to ban the accounts pretty quickly. Elon Musk has no reinstated them under his drive for free speech. That's only in the last month or so.

Yeah, I've never heard any argument at all against trans rights, not even the one raging here now on this actual thread.

It's quite unusual to be honest.

No clips at all of her on mainstream TV channels here in UK or in US on shows like Tucker Carlson. Nothing. All those shows are just end to end interviews with trans manladies

It's hilarious that you think GB News is a mainstream TV channel. As for Fox News, you do realise that America isn't the UK, right? One appearance (quite old) by Posie Parker on Eamon Holmes's morning show isn't quite representative of an open discussion.

 

[multitool]

You won't realise this, but you are arguing against yourself now.

 

[icowden]

You won't realise this, but you are arguing against yourself now.

Have you lost interest already? It's also worth pointing out that Gervais is in a similar position to JK Rowling.

 

[multitool]

It raised a great deal of controversy and many requests for Gervais to be banned and the show to be withdrawn from broacast IIRC

Did he make the joke? Yes
Can you still watch the joke? Yes
Did he face any sanctions? No.

So what you said is untrue

No, because Twitter used to ban the accounts pretty quickly. Elon Musk has no reinstated them under his drive for free speech. That's only in the last month or so.

There is, and has always been loads of it. The likes of Lunahan were banned when they implied they wanted trans people dead.

It's hilarious that you think GB News is a mainstream TV channel. As for Fox News, you do realise that America isn't the UK, right? One appearance (quite old) by Posie Parker on Eamon Holmes's morning show isn't quite representative of an open discussion.

You said women are silenced. I posted a whole raft of Posie Parker on mainstream channels. Mainstream means freely available on readily available channels. The only UK channel I didn't link to was BBC or Channel 4, not because they arent there, but because there were so many links to this "silenced" woman that i got bored of scrolling.

So here's Lunahan, instead, on BBC because anti-trans have no voice:


View: https://youtu.be/e79k6LILL1I