multitool
Pharaoh
That isn't what you've just said, at all.
I'm not playing your games. In the space of a handful of exchanges you've lied, misrepresented, tried to move goalposts and engaged in whataboutery.
Gender again. Sorry!
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That isn't what you've just said, at all.
I'm not playing your games. In the space of a handful of exchanges you've lied, misrepresented, tried to move goalposts and engaged in whataboutery.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
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classic33
Senior Member
Two people in the same cubical, people would start talking. Especially if they were to do it on a regular basis.
Why can't trans men use the women's?
AuroraSaab
Squire
'Why can't they go in the Men's toilets with you, Bromptonaut?'
And with that every concern women and girls have is waved away by a man who doesn't give a toss for their dignity, privacy, or safety.
And with that every concern women and girls have is waved away by a man who doesn't give a toss for their dignity, privacy, or safety.
Bromptonaut
Rohan Man
- Location
- Bugbrooke, Northants
We've been here before. Whether we're talking about a man or a woman is the fundamental contrast between your camp and mine.
Neither of us are going to change the other's mind so we'll just have to agree to differ.
I'm ignoring the man who doesn't give a toss stuff; I'm not rising to bait on this forum.
AuroraSaab
Squire
That 'fundamental contrast' costs you absolutely nothing though. That 'agree to disagree' comes at no cost to you whatsoever. You get to imagine you are part of the progressive Be Kind crew because you think your trans identifying work colleague is a woman now so therefore all trans identifying men are women too. The wider implications of saying men can be women simply don't concern you at all. It's unfortunate that women and girls can't afford to be so parochial.
classic33
Senior Member
And as you keep reminding us, you don't speak for all women, because you can't.
What you want for yourself however, isn't going to happen.
CXRAndy
Guru
But it's apparent that vast majority of women do not want men of any type in their spaces.
Also a fair chunk of men who have a wife, girlfriend or daughter s would not want men near their women folk too
multitool
Pharaoh
Except that isn't true.
CXRAndy
Guru
Yes it is,
didn't you post some half of a survey that Aurora then posted the complete survey countering your position
https://ncap.cyclechat.net/threads/gender-again-sorry.273/post-68357
multitool
Pharaoh
AuroraSaab
Squire
You claimed most women were happy with transwomen using their toilets and changing rooms, disingenuously posting half a survey result as evidence. In fact, positive support was actually only 34% (toilets) in favour and 38% (changing rooms), but drops to 25% and 29% for those without surgery.
Which proves my point that the public still think 'transwoman' means men on hormones who have had surgery. In reality it means 'anybody who says they are a woman'.
Which proves my point that the public still think 'transwoman' means men on hormones who have had surgery. In reality it means 'anybody who says they are a woman'.
AuroraSaab
Squire
You've routinely claimed that women don't share my views. Turns out that not even in mixed polling do people share yours, nevermind just women.
