Gender again. Sorry!

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AndyRM

Elder Goth
I'd have you more down as 4changender myself, but I'd hate to presume.
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
And now you are enlightened, we can only hope that you change.
The current use of woke, as opposed to its original use, seems to me to be the precise opposite of being enlightened.
It's a biological fact that all people think with use of their brains.
They could hardly be said to be using their brains when they maintain both that a) they cannot give a definition of what a woman is, and b) affirm in the strongest possible way that trans women are women.

Maybe a representative group of women should be assembled, locked in a room like the cardinals during the election of a pope, and only allowed out when they have reached a definitve definition of the term.
You realise that you are appropriating the term to self-identify as a human rights abuser?
It's a good job that what you self-identify as is not the same thing as what you actually are. I recently heard someone define transgenderism as 'imagination versus biology'.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
The current use of woke, as opposed to its original use, seems to me to be the precise opposite of being enlightened.

They could hardly be said to be using their brains when they maintain both that a) they cannot give a definition of what a woman is, and b) affirm in the strongest possible way that trans women are women.

Maybe a representative group of women should be assembled, locked in a room like the cardinals during the election of a pope, and only allowed out when they have reached a definitve definition of the term.

It's a good job that what you self-identify as is not the same thing as what you actually are. I recently heard someone define transgenderism as 'imagination versus biology'.

All said by the man who goes around pretending that his sky fairy friend is real, like some biological reality, and lectures others about 'imagination'.

Get rid of Gods, borders, and snake-eye career politicians and we'll all get along just fine.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
So, in short we are buggered!

People bring us gods, borders and snake-eye career politicians. People won't get rid of them.

Yes, we are buggered.

People are recruited at election times using scare tactics. Funnily enough people don't vote through fear of a climate catastrophe, but through fear of others who the scaremongers say are out to harm us, and fear of loss of conveniences (like the motor car). Capitalism has been winning out over anything vaguely looking like socialism.

FPTP is in itself a fear-based system. Fear is the tried and tested mechanism of our so-called democracies. I'm worn down, but I'll turn out to vote as long as I have breath in my lungs.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
Yes, we are buggered.

People are recruited at election times using scare tactics. Funnily enough people don't vote through fear of a climate catastrophe, but through fear of others who the scaremongers say are out to harm us, and fear of loss of conveniences (like the motor car). Capitalism has been winning out over anything vaguely looking like socialism.

FPTP is in itself a fear-based system. Fear is the tried and tested mechanism of our so-called democracies. I'm worn down, but I'll turn out to vote as long as I have breath in my lungs.

My cynicism has grown over the years and worsened in recent years over the mistakes humankind continues to make. Despite the lessons of previous wars the cycle of violence still continues. Despite travel and migration making society more varied racism will not go away. Despite increasing evidence of the danger humans cause to our eco systems change is contested every inch of the way. Scandals and venality involving politicians are on the increase.

FPTP or something more akin to socialism would provide a sticking plaster for our politics for a while, but that would be only temporary because the greed of humans for power, influence and the need to decide what is best for the people would soon corrupt whatever system is in place. People can be wonderful but they can also be awful, and the awful ones are more ruthless and crafty in their ambitions.

I'm just off to slit my throat now...or catch up with the Israel thread as I'm a sucker for punishment.
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
All said by the man who goes around pretending that his sky fairy friend is real,
Why the caricature?
lectures others about 'imagination'.
If God really were a figment of my imagination then I am never going to know it. You die and cease to exist - a blindingly obvious fact that had never occurred to me until someone on here pointed it out, probably on a 'creation' thread. If I am right, then the secularist unbeliever is going become aware of this truth after they have died (it is appointed to man to die once and after that the judgement) an appointment no-one can avoid.
Get rid of Gods
It's already been done - the Soviet Union leading the way. That didn't turn out well for human freedom and flourishing.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
You see they expect everyone an their grand mother to respect them but don't give back.. so that's the story in belamory

I push back against those 'believers' who use their religious bollocks to attack the human rights of others. For Christians and the like who realise that their belief is a code by which they live their own life but do not seek to condemn or control others I am content and offer them my respect.
 

monkers

Legendary Member
If God really were a figment of my imagination then I am never going to know it. You die and cease to exist - a blindingly obvious fact that had never occurred to me until someone on here pointed it out, probably on a 'creation' thread. If I am right, then the secularist unbeliever is going become aware of this truth after they have died (it is appointed to man to die once and after that the judgement) an appointment no-one can avoid.

Just more attempt to inculcate fear in others in order to make them conform to the bollocks that you choose to believe. How very cruel.
 
I push back against those 'believers' who use their religious bollocks to attack the human rights of others. For Christians and the like who realise that their belief is a code by which they live their own life but do not seek to condemn or control others I am content and offer them my respect.
Yeah it's and back and forth about whom is more right, who is attacked in his human rights etc. etc. but what i ditd not hear worse still this whole topic was awfully silent or went quickly onto an other topic when i posted experiences of victims of transgender-industry.
So with that i mean persons who later realized what they actually needed was mental health what they got was being talked into being born in the wrong body. And if you look at all those support groups etc. for people in those groups which sadly seems to be growing, but it could off course be just an impression.
Anyway, what i wonder what about their rights?
Or the rights of all those professionals who got fired because they their to question jumping to conclusions?
Do you think they have human right to and if so, should it be time people listen to them and work to prevent things like that to happen again?

Just more attempt to inculcate fear in others in order to make them conform to the bollocks that you choose to believe. How very cruel.
Isn't he just sharing his considerations, that yes he could be wrong but he would feel he is in a bigger mess if he wouldn't believe? to formatting to the sentence show more consistency which something like that to me than a ''repent or you go to hell'' kind of sentence.
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
For Christians and the like who realise that their belief is a code by which they live their own life but do not seek to condemn or control others
I wasn't talking about controlling anybody. Rather the outworking of two worldviews and the implications of them. In an atheist universe, if someone wants to leave their wife for someone else younger and healthier, why shouldn't they? You shall not commit adultery is only an opinion, you can take it or leave it, and you will never have to give an account for it. When Savile died, during his last breath he could smile and say I got away with it. Those who enabled and covered for him could also breath a sigh of relief, what they had done will no longer come to light in an earthly court. Since none of us survive in this universe, why even bother about concepts such as justice and rights? The universe is amoral.

If I am right and God did indeed create the heavens and the earth and we will one day have to give an account, then what we do in our lives, especially the way we treat others, matters. We are not free to do as we like, including LGBTQ etc. No-one in the end will get away with anything, including Savile. This doesn't make theism true, but imo better explains why so many do rail against the injustices of this present world.
Just more attempt to inculcate fear in others in order to make them conform to the bollocks that you choose to believe. How very cruel.
Perhaps we ought to think more soberly about what happens at death. It's the last enemy for everyone. I don't see how this enables you to get control over others. Talking of control, is transgenderism about control? The assertion of one set of 'rights' over another. Sacking people who don't conform by using the 'wrong' pronouns. God has been replace by Self and personal autonomy.
 
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