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I have 4 daughters and a wife...... They don't share your narrative.

They think men should be in women's sports and prisons? And that a disabled person shouldn't be able to specify same sex carers? Or that a rape victim can't specify a same sex counsellor? Most people are broadly supportive of trans rights, but these are the specifics that the ideology comes down to.

People have literally cited you and your constant dishonesty, misrepresentation and straw men as the reason for leaving this thread.

Doesn't explain why people have stopped posting on every other thread over the last year. They aren't here to say what's putting them off the rest of the forum.
 
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They think men should be in women's sports and prisons? And that a disabled person shouldn't be able to specify same sex carers? Or that a rape victim can't specify a same sex counsellor? Most people are broadly supportive of trans rights, but these are the specifics that the ideology comes down to.

They are far more articulate and thoughtful than that. These binary, robotic responses are becoming nauseating.

I posed a question specifically to icow, but this disrespectful yet predictable step-in reply is something that has become expected. I understand you feel the need to gatekeep the delicate females and are passionate about it, but it seems you simply CANNOT even accept that other women have differing thoughts and perspectives to the feminist gatekeeper movement on various issues that extend beyond binary choices. Your almost militant responses highlights this.

The fact that your allies on this forum consists of the likes of CXRAndy, who i reckon you deep down know is a goddamn creep and probably has about as much interest in your safety as a woman out and about as a Lion has in a bowl of shredded cabbage. Personally, I have engaged in many topics with you and others on subjects of women's safety in light of Sarah Everard and similar and largely I have found myself engaging and agreeing with you but was the likes of Andy giving a shït then? I don't remember him engaging in any old NACA topics surrounding these particular subjects. I mention this because why is that? Predators on the same hunting ground? Ulterior motives perhaps? To me I find this convergence fascinating if not a little bit worrying for the overall safety of women in all aspects of society.
 

icowden

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It depends on what their opinions are. I have 4 daughters and a wife. That's 5 women in our immediate family. You're probably not interested in their opinions because they are going to differ to yours and have differing experiences. Their opinions matter the world to me. They don't share your narrative. Are they mentally ill or not part of the tribe? In your opinion?
I also have daughters and a wife. I'm not sure why you would consider the options to be "mentally ill" or "not part of the tribe".
Of course opinions will differ. And the nice thing about that is the public, open discourse that everyone is having about the subject with no-one going around trying to cancel anyone else, and no-one worrying about having their career destroyed for saying the wrong thing.

Luckily none of that is happening and JK Rowling is just making up all the threats of death, rape and mutilation that she gets on a daily basis for having an opinion.
 
I understand you feel the need to gatekeep the delicate females and are passionate about it, but it seems you simply CANNOT even accept that other women have differing thoughts and perspectives to the feminist gatekeeper movement on various issues that extend beyond binary choices. Your almost militant responses highlights this.

I find your approach just as frustrating. It's impossible to get a straight answer to specific questions - questions that are very important to the people in that situation. 'I want a same sex carer' isn't gatekeeping. Quite a state of affairs though when 'No men in women's prisons' is considered a militant response.
 
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I also have daughters and a wife. I'm not sure why you would consider the options to be "mentally ill" or "not part of the tribe".
Of course opinions will differ. And the nice thing about that is the public, open discourse that everyone is having about the subject with no-one going around trying to cancel anyone else, and no-one worrying about having their career destroyed for saying the wrong thing.

Luckily none of that is happening and JK Rowling is just making up all the threats of death, rape and mutilation that she gets on a daily basis for having an opinion.

Would it matter if I am doing none of those things, such as sending threats to celebrities who have differing opinions to me or am I lumbered in that same camp anyway because it's really is a tribe of even a team effort?
 
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I find your approach just as frustrating. It's impossible to get a straight answer to specific questions - questions that are very important to the people in that situation. 'I want a same sex carer' isn't gatekeeping. Quite a state of affairs though when 'No men in women's prisons' is considered a militant response.

I had questions too. None answered...

We swim these murky waters for the fun of it.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
Doesn't explain why people have stopped posting on every other thread over the last year. They aren't here to say what's putting them off the rest of the forum.

It's probably because of you.

As you know (because you spend half your time searching my posts) nearly all my posts are confined to only two threads.

Many people have cited leaving threads because of you. Some of them no longer post.
 

multitool

Pharaoh
So why do you not think JK Rowling's views are important? Why do you discount the views of women who have concern about transwomen in their spaces?

I discount their views for exactly the same reason I discount your, which is that they are ridiculous and bear no relation to reality.

Whereas I know many women who have some concerns. Where does that leave us?

You've poked your head down the GC rabbit hole, Iain.

There are all sorts of rabbit holes down which one may disappear. If you'd gone down the one marked "vAcCiNe' you would have encountered many who had "done their own research" and were convinced covid was a bio-weapon and the vaccinecontained a chip.

As is the cult that has the rabid belief that people can truly change gender and abuses any man or woman who dares to disagree with the orthodoxy.

I wouldn't know, I'm not part of any cult.

I'm a part of the majority of society who believe in not victimising minorities, and taking a balanced, evidence-led approach to things.
 
Would it matter if I am doing none of those things, such as sending threats to celebrities who have differing opinions to me or am I I'm lumbered in that same camp anyway because it's really it's a tribe of even a team effort?
Looks like guilt by association mustn't be applied to you but it can to me, even though I have never interacted with Andy or even liked a post of his:

The fact that your allies on this forum consists of the likes of CXRAndy....

I have no idea what Andy is like in real life.
I can provide you with plenty of real life behaviour from the the people whose views are more in alignment with your own though. I find that more worrying than any Internet warriors.
 
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Looks like guilt by association mustn't be applied to you but it can to me, even though I have never interacted with Andy or even liked a post of his:



I have no idea what Andy is like in real life.
I can provide you with plenty of real life behaviour from the the people whose views are more in alignment with your own though. I find that more worrying than any Internet warriors.

And so then.

What are my views? Who am I aligned with?
 
It's probably because of you.
Seems unlikely that people would abandon a whole forum because of one thread, that some of them never posted on anyway. Especially when they still post over on main CC. I feel there must be something else but can't quite put my finger on it.
 

multitool

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Seems unlikely that people would abandon a whole forum because of one thread, that some of them never posted on anyway. Especially when they still post over on main CC. I feel there must be something else but can't quite put my finger on it.

Yes, it must be the two threads I post on.

Or, the plethora of threads on which you post
 
And so then. What are my views? Who am I aligned with?

Who really knows? You can't seem to bring yourself to deal with the specifics.

If you think men should be in women's single sex spaces, sports and prisons - and you want to do the guilt by association thing - then you're aligned with the men who wear the 'Kill Terfs' t shirts, who nail rats to the door of rape crisis centres, who punch women in the face at demos, and who think rape victims should be forced to call a male rapist 'she'.

I doubt you do agree with much of that but if you want to do the 'these are your allies' thing, those are yours as much as Andy is mine.
 
Yes, it must be the two threads I post on.
Or, the plethora of threads on which you post

Well I manage to behave myself and post rather benignly on the other threads - not a c*nt, pr*ck, or tw*t to be seen - whereas you spread your vitriol and potty mouthed good cheer in every thread you touch, so it seems unlikely that I would be the main culprit in driving people from the forum.
 
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