AndyRM
Elder Goth
The abuse and rants go both ways.
As does a lot of assumption.
Enjoy giving what you get.
Gender again. Sorry!
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The abuse and rants go both ways.
As does a lot of assumption.
Enjoy giving what you get.
Stevo 666
Regular
AuroraSaab
Shaman
Remember when the ruling came through? The women in court cheered. They hugged each other and sang Auld Lang Syne. It was very moving. That was sisterhood. It is a wonderful thing to feel a part of a community of women.
What are trans activists doing in response? India Willoughby is organising a mass urination aka PeeForMe. So they'll be either peeing in the street or having a thousand men taking over the toilets in McDonald's or something.
This is transactivism. This is also partly why we don't want men in our spaces.
View: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1913312457843425492
What are trans activists doing in response? India Willoughby is organising a mass urination aka PeeForMe. So they'll be either peeing in the street or having a thousand men taking over the toilets in McDonald's or something.
This is transactivism. This is also partly why we don't want men in our spaces.
View: https://x.com/IndiaWilloughby/status/1913312457843425492
AuroraSaab
Shaman
A trans identifying man, Linsay Watson, a former police officer, loses case against a police force who refused to prosecute someone for misgendering someone on social media.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62znny9gk0o
Watson was previously sacked from the force for harassment of a free speech campaigner.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...anded-free-speech-campaigner-Nazi-sacked.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c62znny9gk0o
Watson was previously sacked from the force for harassment of a free speech campaigner.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...anded-free-speech-campaigner-Nazi-sacked.html
monkers
Squire
When I started in this place I was my usual super-polite self, those early posts can still be seen, how I attempted polite explanation and in good humour. Some folk messaged me to thank me for those contributions, and how they had found them useful. Most of those don't psot on the topic anymore, because they grew weary of the tactics of the bigots targeting them after posting thoughtfully. However after months of lies, nasty slurs, putting false words into my mouth, false attribution, and the denial of logic or reason, I've been ground down.
My cancer is now such that I can't be sure how many days I have remaining, but my decline is such that I know they are now few. Fifteen months or so ago they gave me three to four months, somehow I'm still clinging on.
So I don't have the patience to suffer c*unts gladly any more, hence I'm going to live my last days being free of reading their directed bigotry, and relieve myself of the kind of pile on I imagine I'm getting but thankfully not seeing. C*unt is a word I've detested all my life, have never actually spoken in my life, therefore it feels right to use it in the here and now. It's the vilest word, and only appropriate for the vilest of people, but such is the political landscape of the UK now, and in the US for that matter, that I'm not holding back. In spirit I'm with Janey Godley. Trump is a c*unt and so are some of you. I'll defend my niece until my last breath.
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CXRAndy
Veteran
Probably because everyone agreed with your opinions.
You don't like an opposing opinion re trans issues.
Now your opinion has lost in the Supreme court
You've again gone a bit hysterical, throwing insults around.
I will give you a degree of latitude for your behaviour given the grieving you're experiencing just now
👍
Saw an interesting interview with a Equality Rights Specialist Lawyer yesterday and interesting as she was saying that trans, LBGTQ+, all are still protected by other acts and that the Supreme Court judgement can present a challenge for companies to comply with other legislation. And for some one way they have to comply is to remove single sex spaces and make such spaces available to all.
Ian
Ian
CXRAndy
Veteran
I think they are talking out of their botty. Women will have protected private spaces.
All they need to do is make male loos unisex(open category for sports).
Men aren't bothered by women in their loos, you just won't see women venturing in only in extreme circumstances.
That leaves TiMs to use the new category unisex loos
All they need to do is make male loos unisex(open category for sports).
Men aren't bothered by women in their loos, you just won't see women venturing in only in extreme circumstances.
That leaves TiMs to use the new category unisex loos
Xipe Totec
Something nasty in the woodshed
Quite. And I suspect I'm not alone in seeing the grim irony of people who doubtless consider themselves to be 'feminists', gleefully ganging up alongside you and your 'traditional' attitudes to women. 'Real' ones, that is
CXRAndy
Veteran
When it comes to reality this man has the perfect phrase
View: https://x.com/rickygervais/status/1913507092683514050?t=YyToGR6VkWL0muhu917vJA&s=19
View: https://x.com/rickygervais/status/1913507092683514050?t=YyToGR6VkWL0muhu917vJA&s=19
AuroraSaab
Shaman
The ruling doesn't affect the protections trans people have under the Equality Act. In some ways it strengthens them for transmen.
What it means is that where service providers offer a single sex space it has to be truly single sex, so yes one alternative would be to make all spaces unisex. But as that is in effect what you have anyway if men aren't excluded, well it's a bit of a moot point.
Are sports events going to make themselves unisex? Will they do away with a Men's and Women's hockey league and just let all teams play each other? I don't think men will like that anymore than women. Refuges going to have mixed sex rooms? Rape counselling support groups going to be mixed? These are the important areas where single sex really matters and in those cases I don't think many service providers will go down the 'everything's unisex now' route. At least women will know where they stand, eg Marks and Spencer supposedly have single sex changing rooms but allow men in the 'Womens'.
Unisex only provision might also raise issues of indirect discrimination where women are affected more than men, because mixed sexed areas where women are vulnerable are more dangerous for women.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
So instead women must align with left wing men who work to undermine their rights because what? Otherwise they might find themselves on the same side as Andy and Donald Trump? Otherwise you'll call them bigots and fascists? This is the emotive blackmail and forced teaming that has always been used to make women put their needs last, to make them fall into line.
You align yourself with the men who post death and rape threats, who seek to defund rape centres, who want men in women's prisons, who think a raped woman should call her rapist 'she'. If you're going to go down the guilt by association claim that I'm not a feminist because I share some views with Andy then you should own those whose views you share. That's your team; that's who you stand alongside.
CXRAndy
Veteran
But the subject has always been straightforward.
Men cannot become women. Supreme court confirmed that.
There is male and female.
If men want to go around dressing up that fine.
Where is the grey in that
The absolute lunacy of this whole subject was, how did it ever get to such a twisted mess, why it took so long for the highest court to literally say the simplest thing to shake everyone back into reality?
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