Gender again. Sorry!

[mickle]

I'm not off my nut - the cheapest of allegations.

I'm certainly not your mate in any sense.

You've been caught out being malicious with false posting, and now you appear to be angry.

The same thing happened when I exposed your foolishness with the data - that you supplied - after your false prisoner narrative.

There's a trend emerging of you scraping the corners of the internet in order to confirm a bias. A syndrome which has a name.

Being 'caught out' by your imaginary friends isn't the gotcha you're claiming Monica.There is no shortage of evidence of the harms of 'gender affirming' 'health care'. Which i am absolutely certain you are aware of - and your flat denial of which exposes you as the ghoul that you are. You clearly don't give a fark about the damage being done to young bodies in the name of your cult.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I'm going to file this latest gambit of the expert surgeon and GP in the same file as the expert criminal prosecutor/human rights lawyer: unverifiable appeal to authority.

Removing a flap of flesh from the forearm or thigh is exactly how a pseudo penis is created.

John Hopkins Medical Centre:

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...therapies/phalloplasty-for-gender-affirmation

There are many possible complications - added to the medical harm caused by women taking testosterone long term.

Many ops have complications but let's remember what we are talking about here - drastic, irreversible, unnecessary surgery, which is only cosmetic and which has no good evidence of benefit to mental health in the long term. In fact it's associated with long term higher suicide risk.

(RFF is radical forearm free flap as in the John Hopkins site).

 

[monkers]

Being 'caught out' by your imaginary friends isn't the gotcha you're claiming Monica.There is no shortage of evidence of the harms of 'gender affirming' 'health care'. Which i am absolutely certain you are aware of - and your flat denial of which exposes you as the ghoul that you are. You clearly don't give a fark about the damage being done to young bodies in the name of your cult.

Your behaviour has been shown to be disgusting, and not for the first time.

You used images of horrific but life-saving surgeries in order to support your lies. I could not have discovered the truth behind those surgeries without the assistance of family members, since I am not medically trained, and I know my limitations.

If you had made an honest mistake, you'd put your hand up and apologise. Your unwillingness to do so demonstrates to the forum your true nature.

Previously you've tried to belittle me with false statements. You said that only a trans woman would stick up for the rights of trans women, therefore ''you know'' that I must be a trans woman. Unfortunately you were not bright enough to appreciate the ramifications of your argument and where that would lead to; that therefore for you to be a supporter of women's rights, you must be a woman. Only I wasn't stupid enough to declare you a woman.

So after claiming that you knew that my identity was fake, you now insist that the identities of my family members must also be fake.

Thereon follows the accusations here that I must be emotionally deficient, cognitively challenged, or mentally ill.

Desperate times. Now be better, and start now.

 

[spen666]

And so Forum, so it goes, those who are exposed for the malicious lies as bad faith actors, then go on to accuse those telling the truth of having mental illness, while others turn up to defend their actions.

And so the forum goes on, calling people "shiteheads" abusing and insulting those who do not agree with you and then trying to play the victim when you are called out for your offensive and insulting behaviour.

If you tried practicing what you preached re behaviour and were prepared to debate and clarify when people say they do not understand, then you may find you get further in persuading people of your position

 

[monkers]

I'm going to file this latest gambit of the expert surgeon and GP in the same file as the expert criminal prosecutor/human rights lawyer: unverifiable appeal to authority.

I have no problem with credible links and source such as this being posted.

There is no doubt that penises for trans men have been constructed using these methods. It's worth your time listening to James Bellinger in the video I posted if you trouble to play it as he has up-to-date information about new less invasive procedures; though as he says, he does not carry out these procedures and for further information people should direct their enquiries to those that do.

Second point. You carry on regardless as if nothing above has happened. Those pictures posted by Mickle are not thought by a Consultant surgeon to be surgeries carried out as phalloplasty.

The first is an example of a life-saving procedure in an otherwise devastating case of Fournier Gangrene.

Mickle seems to think that the posting of horrific looking surgery is a way to win hearts and minds against trans confirming surgery.

If horrific pictures are to be the way forward, maybe we should contrast and compare two results; one of the result of vaginoplasty six months after surgery, and one of a penis in the case of untreated Fournier Gangrene. One the result of a treatment, one the lack of a treatment. Let's see which one the Forum considers the most horrific or ghoulish.

 

[monkers]

And so the forum goes on, calling people "shiteheads" abusing and insulting those who do not agree with you and then trying to play the victim when you are called out for your offensive and insulting behaviour.

If you tried practicing what you preached re behaviour and were prepared to debate and clarify when people say they do not understand, then you may find you get further in persuading people of your position

It's ''practising'' in the case of a verb. Hope that helps.

 

[monkers]

 

[AuroraSaab]

The whole of X is calling bs on Maugham's claim. Only a few weeks ago his wife was posting the 'I've had a maestectomy.... body parts don't make you female' type stuff and now by huge coincidence she's suddenly been challenged in the changing rooms?

Bear in mind that Mrs Maugham will not have been swimming at the council leisure centre but likely at a very expensive private health club with private cubicles. So yeah, I call bs on that claim.

'It's happening to thousands of women every day'.
I call bs on that too.

It's not those who reject gender who reduce women to body parts, it's transactivists like him who do.

 

[monkers]

The whole of X is calling bs on Maugham's claim. Only a few weeks ago his wife was posting the 'I've had a maestectomy.... body parts don't make you female' type stuff and now by huge coincidence she's suddenly been challenged in the changing rooms?

Bear in mind that Mrs Maugham will not have been swimming at the council leisure centre but likely at a very expensive private health club with private cubicles. So yeah, I call bs on that claim.

'It's happening to thousands of women every day'.
I call bs on that too.

It's not those who reject gender who reduce women to body parts, it's transactivists like him who do.

I don't doubt your claims about X. If you'd said the same thing was on Mumsnet I would not if you claimed that too. But these places have a reputation of which I need not remind.

It's not a reasonable argument to rely on assumption in place of fact, but presented as fact. Mrs Maughan can swim at the place of her choosing.

I don't know the number of women being challenged. I personally know a few, and have experienced myself, albeit not recently for obvious reasons.

I don't see transactivists reducing women to body parts, so to borrow from your lexicon - I call bs on that.

 

[CXRAndy]

View: https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1926686856269189361?t=qSImLoP1P4k8Xi4QmP-tog&s=19

 

[AuroraSaab]

I used Google image search to find sources of these images. Nothing found.

TL;DR: The photo Mickle posted is from a website from 2017/18 detailing an individual's phalloplasty operation.

I Google searched the image and it came up with this website, which is a very in depth account of a woman undergoing phalloplasty - the exact same photo of the arm after flesh removal, and later after healed is shown under the '3 Month Extravaganza' heading.

https://chinchillameat.com/

So I sent these to my cousin T. I sent these to my cousin and her husband, both of whom are retired GPs. Her husband worked in emergency surgery before switching to general practice in his early 40s.

The second image ''appears to be an ambitious attempt to save the arm of a patient with a flesh-eating bacteria''.

Your imaginary medics seem a bit clueless then. The exact same photo appears on the above 7 year old very, very detailed, very personal web site of a phalloplasty patient.
I'm glad I'm not an imaginary patient of your imaginary doctors.

That site - Chinchilla Meat - is quite something.
A young woman talks about being androgenous and not feeling 'him or her' but is nevertheless able to get a letter from a therapist to have an operation to construct a phallus from forearm flesh but also keep her vagina. No mention of extensive therapy or counseling.

The site's last entry is 3/4 yrs after the op. No sign of regret yet but it would be interesting to see how they feel today. At least this woman didn't go on testosterone, have a hysterectomy or a mastectomy, unlike most young women who will be left with the problems testosterone brings and menopause in your 20's causes.

The whole account is a catalogue of one complication after another, with ER trips and 5 surgical revisions, lymphadema of the arm, and God knows what else.

"The drippiness issues that had been annoying me since my second urethroplasty have entirely cleared up, making the adult diapers I’d gotten into the habit of wearing (unecessary)".

I don't see how anybody can read that site and think these Frankenstein surgeries are how we should encourage young people to deal with their unhappiness with their bodies.

 

[monkers]

TL;DR: The photo Mickle posted is from a website from 2017/18 detailing an individual's phalloplasty operation.

I Google searched the image and it came up with this website, which is a very in depth account of a woman undergoing phalloplasty - the exact same photo of the arm after flesh removal, and later after healed is shown under the '3 Month Extravaganza' heading.

https://chinchillameat.com/





Your imaginary medics seem a bit clueless then. The exact same photo appears on the above 7 year old very, very detailed, very personal web site of a phalloplasty patient.
I'm glad I'm not an imaginary patient of your imaginary doctors.

That site - Chinchilla Meat - is quite something.
A young woman talks about being androgenous and not feeling 'him or her' but is nevertheless able to get a letter from a therapist to have an operation to construct a phallus from forearm flesh but also keep her vagina. No mention of extensive therapy or counseling.

The site's last entry is 3/4 yrs after the op. No sign of regret yet but it would be interesting to see how they feel today. At least this woman didn't go on testosterone, have a hysterectomy or a mastectomy, unlike most young women who will be left with the problems testosterone brings and menopause in your 20's causes.

The whole account is a catalogue of one complication after another, with ER trips and 5 surgical revisions, lymphadema of the arm, and God knows what else.

"The drippiness issues that had been annoying me since my second urethroplasty have entirely cleared up, making the adult diapers I’d gotten into the habit of wearing (unecessary)".

I don't see how anybody can read that site and think these Frankenstein surgeries are how we should encourage young people to deal with their unhappiness with their bodies.

Not imaginary. You are so cheap. I'd never heard of Fournier Gangrene, so think about it that had to come from somewhere if you stop to think about it.

H did say that he was more suspicious of the first pic because the positions of the drains make the pic appear to be horizontally flipped, a technique he says that people use to hide the original source. I didn't happen to spot that pic on the Chinchilla site.

Yes to be fair to T and H, they became suspicious of the second pic only because they were already suspicious of the first. Neither of them have personal experience of the surgery, neither was that claimed. H was a liver man, and T was always in general practice.

I did find that pic on the Chinchilla site, so fair play that one does appear to be genuine.

I have to admire the determination of trans men and their commitment to be themselves. Could I be brave enough to undergo the surgery? Absolutely not. Just makes me glad to happen to be a congruent lesbian.

I'm sticking to my guns on a couple of point though. I believe in the bodily autonomy of the individual. I believe in the old principle of ''mind your own funking business''. It isn't for us to be the judges of others just living their best lives. It comes at no personal cost to us.

 

[CXRAndy]

Monkers so called experts sunk again with a little bit of common sense sleuthing from AS.

 

[monkers]

Monkers so called experts sunk again with a little bit of common sense sleuthing from AS.

They are both former doctors, a former hepatic consultant surgeon and a GP.

Doctors have specialisms. Neither had worked in trans affirming care.

H had seen a case of Fournier Gangrene before in a hospital he had worked in. He was not a urologist, so not his case. Nonetheless, he appreciated from the scarring the similarity and became suspicious of the motives, because as he had said, the drains were not in the expected locations, and the photograph to him appeared flipped horizontally.
The original source of the photograph is not yet found, so you remain unable to say that his assessment made on nothing more than a photograph is incorrect. You'll also know that using photo editing software and AI, it is possible to make convincing looking images that do not pertain to truth.

H had seen an arm riddled with flesh eating bacteria in his time working in Africa. The appearance was similar enough for him to consider it. You'll notice that his reply, which I gave in quotes did not say that it was definitely the case. He was also suspicious of the first photograph as the drains were not in the expected locations.

As for you 'knowing' the reproductive sex of a patient by skin tone just shows much about your thought processes.

I remain suspicious of anything posted by Aurora, Mickle or you, because between you, you have extensive histories of posting false information with little to no interest in truth or facts.

 

[CXRAndy]

You were so sure, alas not sure enough 😁