CXRAndy
Guru
They can included under their sex not how they perceive themselves
That is why all well, just about all governing bodies in whole plethora of sports banned TiMs from women's sports.
Gender again. Sorry!
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They can included under their sex not how they perceive themselves
That is why all well, just about all governing bodies in whole plethora of sports banned TiMs from women's sports.
monkers
Squire
Universal rights protect people from discrimination regardless of sex or how others might perceive it. Trans people have an equal right not to be discriminated against - that is the law in the UK.
With regard to the HRA
This precedes the 2004 GRA and the 2010 EqA from which both flow.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
There are at least 418 US boys of 17 and under alone who have run faster than the Women's 100m World Record. Thousands of men have run faster - and her record is widely regarded as drug assisted.
You have to go to page 5 to find U18 boys who are slower. Some of them will have been shorter than Flo Jo. Height is one contributing factor. It pales into insignificance compared to the advantage of being male.
https://worldathletics.org/records/...yCountry=all&eventId=10229630&ageCategory=u18
These bat sh#t arguments are so tiresome.
All so these men can pretend to be women and have us all go along with the pretence.
You have to go to page 5 to find U18 boys who are slower. Some of them will have been shorter than Flo Jo. Height is one contributing factor. It pales into insignificance compared to the advantage of being male.
https://worldathletics.org/records/...yCountry=all&eventId=10229630&ageCategory=u18
These bat sh#t arguments are so tiresome.
All so these men can pretend to be women and have us all go along with the pretence.
CXRAndy
Guru
Frankly dont care, dont want to see males in women's sports or anywhere else that's for women only.
Won't support or entertain it
monkers
Squire
So you agree you are just endlessly whining without foundation. Worry not, you haven't surprised me.
monkers
Squire
There are more than two contributory factors as you will know.#
At the age of 17 a male is not typically fully developed muscularly, though some may be. Though do remember we are talking about data averages here.
At this age, the growth in bones is not yet accompanied by the muscle mass which will follow later. The advantage comes from lighter build, hence lighter weight, the narrowness of the hips and the high blood testosterone level.
Later upper body development will become a disadvantage in this discipline but an advantage in others.
Please don't pretend that I am saying that male biology is no advantage. That clearly isn't the case. But let's not pretend male biology is the only advantage, or that it is a dominating advantage in every competition.
Let's not pretend that the removal of all athletes who are either trans or have a DSD will have the effect of making sport an even playing field - it is the very existence of their not being an uneven playing field that produces winners and lowers. How genes are handed down doesn't make life fair.
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They're a troll; that's what they do.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
It will definitely help. No more situations like the 2016 Women's 800m Olympic final with 3 male dsd athletes taking gold, silver, and bronze. No more 43 year old men like Laurel Hubbard taking an Olympic place from women 20 years younger. No more men who are uncompetitive as males taking scholarships, podium places, rankings, and medals from girls and women.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
Sanity continues to return.
https://archive.ph/Q1HVg#selection-1517.0-1521.102
Looks like no more having to call a male defendent a woman. We just need news reporting to start being honest again now because these are not women's crimes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdj91yx4v77o.amp
https://archive.ph/Q1HVg#selection-1517.0-1521.102
Looks like no more having to call a male defendent a woman. We just need news reporting to start being honest again now because these are not women's crimes.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdj91yx4v77o.amp
monkers
Squire
This is not part of the discussion. It's purpose is either baiting or harassment. Which?
monkers
Squire
Three people who are not trans. And one who is 43 years old and failed every attempt, therefore coming dead last. Hardly a threat to other athletes or the reputation of the games.
In one breath you seem to deny age as a factor, but for the second time you raise the age of the competitor.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
3 dsd athletes who are male and as such took places and medals from women.
The fact he could qualify for the Olympics at age 43 in a sport where athletes peak in their mid 20's shows that it was male advantage that got him there.
He took a place from a young woman. That weight category has now been scrapped so her opportunity will never come again.
It tarnishes the Olympics when blatant unfairness is tolerated just as much as tolerating doping does.
CXRAndy
Guru
You brought up dsd. Again in the Olympics they were males in women's events. I'm beginning to believe these African countries are seeking out these children and training them up in the hope of capturing medals. Well they did but now will be tested before major competitions or to provide biological passport.
monkers
Squire
Actually it was you at first. Then later Aurora. If the discussion is to be about any advantage that trans women have in sport, it shouldn't be necessary to reference people born with a DSD.
