Gender again. Sorry!

[monkers]

Alice Littman was on hormones. They were provided privately by (former) Dr Michael Webberley of Gender GP from April 2020. Alice Littman died in May 2022.

You might well argue that lack of psychiatric support contributes to suicide amongst CAMHS patients but that applies to all of them, not just those referred with gender dysphoria.

Michael Webberley was struck off as a doctor for 'a catalogue of failings' in respect of children and young people who sought help for gender dysphoria, including a 9 year old to whom he prescribed hormones after a 10 minute Skype chat.

It makes no sense for Appleby to review those waiting to be seen by the Tavistock rather than those already diagnosed. Until they are seen there's no diagnosis of gender dysphoria and they aren't 'gender' patients, they're just young people with mental health issues who might or might not be 'trans'. You're asumming every child on the list is 'trans' and further that every child would get hormones.

Those already prescribed puberty blockers were continuing to receive puberty blockers. Those waiting to be prescribed puberty blockers did not start puberty blockers.

If the reports are correct, then Appleby reviewed the cases of those already taking puberty blockers. Inevitably, he would find those as stable as before. Again if reports are current he was not sent the cases of those who had been waiting for puberty blockers and had died by suicide, it would not have been possible for him to say, that there was an increase. Therefore the date of the ban on new patients taking puberty blockers is the critical date. Parents of children who had been waiting for puberty blockers, and hadn't received them, used FOIs and found that the suicide cases of children not prescribed puberty blockers were not forwarded to Appleby for review. Meantime Cass called the parents ''shroud wavers''.

Why would Portman & NHS not forward the known suicide cases to Appleby? That is what you must ask yourself. In the meantime, the coroners' reports stand as the testimony, and not the Appleby report.

 

[AuroraSaab]

She did not call the parents shroud wavers.

The official stats show no increased rate in suicides in the UK in the year since the puberty blocker ban. This is in stark contrast to the claim that there was 1 death before the ban and 16 after it - a claim you made last June in this thread. That significant increase would show in the national stats for 2024 - 25.

Here you are (with a little dig at IC who had the temerity to question your stats):

This claim was specifically addressed by Prof Appleby.
https://bjgplife.com/keyfindingsapplebyreview/

Your stats are wrong and you are ghoulishly and recklessly promoting the transition or die' narrative.

Pages and pages of unevidenced, hyperbolic recklessness. How tiresome to keep churning out the same fallacies.

 

[monkers]

She did not call the parents shroud wavers.

The official stats show no increased rate in suicides in the UK in the year since the puberty blocker ban. This is in stark contrast to the claim that there was 1 death before the ban and 16 after it - a claim you made last June in this thread. That significant increase would show in the national stats for 2024 - 25.

Here you are (with a little dig at IC who had the temerity to question your stats):

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This claim was specifically addressed by Prof Appleby.
https://bjgplife.com/keyfindingsapplebyreview/

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Your stats are wrong and you are ghoulishly and recklessly promoting the transition or die' narrative.

Pages and pages of unevidenced, hyperbolic recklessness. How tiresome to keep churning out the same fallacies.

This is truth denial and you are yelling it. It's clear you are attempting to control a narrative and just shut people down. It's something that has been observed throughout the thread. This is a place for discussion, yet you disallow any view that is not your own. Your opinions are very strong but rarely respect truth or people.

 

[CXRAndy]

Err, you just posted, so no one is suppressing your comments

 

[monkers]

Err, you just posted, so no one is suppressing your comments

I guess the word ''attempting'' has too many letters for you.

 

[CXRAndy]

I guess the word ''attempting'' has too many letters for you.

Sorry, was there an issue logging in, selecting the forum, adding a quote and typing in the little box at the bottom?

There is no attempt to suppress your comments-maybe in your own head, but no where else

 

[monkers]

She did not call the parents shroud wavers.

The official stats show no increased rate in suicides in the UK in the year since the puberty blocker ban. This is in stark contrast to the claim that there was 1 death before the ban and 16 after it - a claim you made last June in this thread. That significant increase would show in the national stats for 2024 - 25.

Here you are (with a little dig at IC who had the temerity to question your stats):

View attachment 9319

This claim was specifically addressed by Prof Appleby.
https://bjgplife.com/keyfindingsapplebyreview/

View attachment 9320

Your stats are wrong and you are ghoulishly and recklessly promoting the transition or die' narrative.

Pages and pages of unevidenced, hyperbolic recklessness. How tiresome to keep churning out the same fallacies.

You seem to have difficulty distinguishing between one person and another. They were not my words. If you wish to challenge my words, then at least challenge my words.

Ian has asked me some questions, I have tried to give him full and frank answers. Although this is a public forum, it still needs the space where people can ask questions and consider the replies without intervention from you.

 

[AuroraSaab]

I don't have difficulty recognising different posters, or recognising the same ones.

Regardless, the arguments stand on their own merits. You're simply not doing any better presenting them again this time around.

 

[monkers]

I don't have difficulty recognising different posters, or recognising the same ones.

Regardless, the arguments stand on their own merits. You're simply not doing any better presenting them again this time around.

Then I it is obvious to me that you aren't half as clever as you seem to think you are.