Israel / Palestine

[Ian H]

Your occasional reminder that Charlotte Church is a fucking legend.


View: https://twitter.com/s__cook/status/1761861433829007712?t=VV89PnVHMvpz1QhinO4cew&s=19

Of course the pile-on, alleging antisemitism, started straight away.

 

[cookiemonster]

"The SNP are taking a purely principled sstane"

...says literally nobody.

All the commentary, whether from politicians or pundits, is recognising the SNP game-playing.

Really!? Care to share this ‘commentary’ as I get my news from various sources and no-one is saying this.

 

[cookiemonster]

But I'm not though, am I.

I'm pointing out that the SNP is cynically exploiting the split AND the suffering of Gazans

Again, evidence. Where is the evidence for that exploitation.

 

[multitool]

Really!? Care to share this ‘commentary’ as I get my news from various sources and no-one is saying this.

The first four news items I clicked on. There are scores of them

 

[multitool]

Again, evidence. Where is the evidence for that exploitation.

See the above

 

[cookiemonster]

The first four news items I clicked on. There are scores of them


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The only trouble here is Labour’s fault. I don’t see how the SNP, who have a long standing policy of calling for a ceasefire, are responsible for Labour’s internal issues. See my post yesterday, which points out how Starmer’s responsible for this mess and why this cannot be the SNP’s fault.

The Guardian’s attempt at blaming the SNP for this smacks of desperation. They have also failed to mention the SNP reaching out to Labour ahead of another Gaza vote to reach a consensus.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/2...ur-libdems-ahead-gaza-ceasefire-debate-redux/

Not likely to work as Starmer is too much of a control freak.

Can you post the entire articles please and not just cherry pick short paragraphs? I just need to see if it’s the same articles I’m posting about.

 

[Rusty Nails]

The only trouble here is Labour’s fault. I don’t see how the SNP, who have a long standing policy of calling for a ceasefire, are responsible for Labour’s internal issues. See my post yesterday, which points out how Starmer’s responsible for this mess and why this cannot be the SNP’s fault.

The Guardian’s attempt at blaming the SNP for this smacks of desperation. They have also failed to mention the SNP reaching out to Labour ahead of another Gaza vote to reach a consensus.

https://www.thenational.scot/news/2...ur-libdems-ahead-gaza-ceasefire-debate-redux/

Not likely to work as Starmer is too much of a control freak.

Can you post the entire articles please and not just cherry pick short paragraphs? I just need to see if it’s the same articles I’m posting about.

Of course the SNP are not responsible for Labour's internal problems...Labour have never needed outside help with those.

But this Westminster bubble furore over the ceasefire vote fiasco is just British politics in action. It is perfectly possible for the SNP to strongly believe in the moral argument for an immediate ceasefire, and at the same time see an opportunity to make a bit of mischief for the Party that will probably be their main opposition in Scotland. It is cynical and it is probably not the 'nice' thing to do, but British politics (and those of most other countries) have adopted the first and given up on the second of those two concepts for a long time.

It's Realpolitik in action...live with it, it's here to stay.

 

[cookiemonster]

Jon Stewart's take on the Israel/Hamas conflict. The most sensible analysis yet.


View: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2zbN3AuHG8

 

[multitool]

And how's that going?

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1762250277095137659?s=20

See how it works?

 

[C R]

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1762250277095137659?s=20

See how it works?

And how long, and how many lives, has it taken the "grown ups" to put pressure on Israel?

 

[multitool]

And how long, and how many lives, has it taken the "grown ups" to put pressure on Israel?

Can you not work that out for yourself?

 

[winjim]

If they're as far South as Rafah then by next week they'll presumably be done.

 

[multitool]

If they're as far South as Rafah then by next week they'll presumably be done.

Depends what "done" means.

The issue for Israel is that Egypt do not seem willing to open the gates. If they did, Israel would bomb the Palestinians across the border.

Israel may want to confine the entire population to a new refugee camp in Rafah, thereby creating the possibility of a buffer zone between the Palestinians and the Israeli border.
It seems unlikely that they will allow them back to Gaza City.

The only certainty is that not only will they not destroy Hamas, but they have created the conditions for greater grievances and the possibility of something worse. They have likely alienated a significant portion of the rest of the world in the process as well.

 

[matticus]

Perhaps the SNP just want to show sympathy towards a small nation subjected to frequent invasions and attempted genocide from a larger aggressive neighbour?

The League of Chip On Their Shoulder Nations?

 

[C R]

Can you not work that out for yourself?

Because they are ärseholes?