Israel / Palestine

[C R]

It shows the stupidity of the electoral system. Ours in the UK is pretty bad but at least I was able to exercise the option of voting for notLabour with an actual chance of it making a difference.

I'm glad I'm not American right now. I don't think I could bring myself to vote for either main candidate. How could I bring myself to vote for someone who's doing... that?

Don't blame the electorate for being stupid, blame the candidates for not being better.

Free Palestine 🇵🇸

PZ Myers discusses this dilemma in his blog

https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2024/10/24/my-political-dilemma/

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Having killed all of the journalists in Gaza, Israel is now targeting journalists working in Lebanon.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cpvz2rzm4k0o

Three Lebanese journalists have been killed in an Israeli air strike on a building known to be housing reporters in south-eastern Lebanon, witnesses have told the BBC.​

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The attack was carried out on a guesthouse in a compound in Hasbaya being used by more than a dozen journalists from at least seven media organisations - with a courtyard containing cars clearly marked with "press".​

 

[theclaud]

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Is there a war crime that these barbarians have not committed?

The IOF has, according to Marwan Al-Hams, director of Gaza’s field hospitals, destroyed the medical supplies at Kamal Adwan hospital, preventing treatment of the sick and wounded.

The current regime in Israel is a rabid dog that is out of control and must be destroyed.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Is there a war crime that these barbarians have not committed?
The IOF has, according to Marwan Al-Hams, director of Gaza’s field hospitals, destroyed the medical supplies at Kamal Adwan hospital, preventing treatment of the sick and wounded.
The current regime in Israel is a rabid dog that is out of control and must be destroyed.

Who is going to destroy it, and how? What does 'destroy' mean in terms of a regime? Gaza is being destroyed, but other than in outright war that is not going to happen to Israel. It has might on its side in that region...and the US with its arms and its UN veto, for the foreseeable future.

 

[glasgowcyclist]

Who is going to destroy it, and how? What does 'destroy' mean in terms of a regime? Gaza is being destroyed, but other than in outright war that is not going to happen to Israel. It has might on its side in that region...and the US with its arms and its UN veto, for the foreseeable future.

I wish I could come up with a simple solution, equivalent to a captive bolt to its head.

If the US and UK governments insist on supplying arms and intelligence to Israel rather than rein it in, then the rest of the world should put as much diplomatic, economic and political pressure on Israel as possible through sanctions and boycotts. Israel should be excluded from all cultural, sporting and academic ventures. It should be completely ostracised until it leaves the occupied Palestinian Territories and ends its apartheid oppression of Palestinians.
Give the Israeli voters something to criticise their government for at the least, and hopefully create civil unrest.

 

[Psamathe]

If the US and UK governments insist on supplying arms and intelligence to Israel rather than rein it in

To me this in some respects highlights the use of (western) language to spin what is going on. Why are Hezbollah & Hamas "proxies for Iran" yet Israel is not referred to as a "proxy for the US"? Iran is arming those they regard as allies but those allies are largely apparently making their own decisions, just as the US is arming and defending Israel though Israel is making its own decisions.

I'm not trying to defend any party to this madness, just how to me some politicians seem to be using language to spin how some regard parties to the conflict.

Ian

 

[glasgowcyclist]

I actually remember this 👇


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[dutchguylivingintheuk]

To me this in some respects highlights the use of (western) language to spin what is going on. Why are Hezbollah & Hamas "proxies for Iran"

Because Iran facilitated, provided weapons and coordinated the attacks on Isreal.

yet Israel is not referred to as a "proxy for the US"?

Because they aren't the US does supply them with weapons but truth be told, although many hear don't like it Isreal also supplies to western allies, in materials, knowledge etc. It's not like the ''syrian opposition'' the US funded under Obama

Iran is arming those they regard as allies but those allies are largely apparently making their own decisions,

widely disputed yes sure Hamas and friends and on the other side Hezbollah claim they all planned it on their own but there is evidence supporting otherwise with Iranian ''advisors'' being killed in places they shouldn't be if their role was mainly supplying equipment.

just as the US is arming and defending Israel though Israel is making its own decisions.

There is a lot more evidence suggesting Isreal is make it's own decisions, and considering they could listen in on Hezbollah for so long it makes you wonder how 7 October happened, it seems they where to comfortable

I'm not trying to defend any party to this madness, just how to me some politicians seem to be using language to spin how some regard parties to the conflict.

Ian

Language is always spinned in whatever way, if you look at english al-jazeera it will give you an different(and dishonest) view. but it is sometimes interesting to see, to help understand ''the other side''
The Iranians hoped to ''unite the arab world against the west'' they seemed to have forgotting they where also funding the houthi's bullying the Saudi's and now said Saudi's are on Isreal/the west side

 

[glasgowcyclist]

it makes you wonder how 7 October happened

It certainly gave Netanyahu the perfect cover for his attempt to exterminate everyone in Gaza. Maybe he felt the casualties of that day worth sacrificing. He sure doesn’t give a fook about killing his own people, never mind Palestinians. It would not surprise me if he was fully aware of the planned Hamas attack.

 

[Psamathe]

Because Iran facilitated, provided weapons and coordinated the attacks on Isreal.

widely disputed yes sure Hamas and friends and on the other side Hezbollah claim they all planned it on their own but there is evidence supporting otherwise with Iranian ''advisors'' being killed in places they shouldn't be if their role was mainly supplying equipment.

Any sources for the assertion that Iran facilitated and coordinated the attacks? Everything I've heard is that they acted independently of Iran but then I haven't scanned every available source.

I'd imagine that when supplying advanced weapons that advisers are needed to train people in how to use them, both for US to train Israeli forces in how to use the weapons systems they provide as well as Iran training its allies it provides advanced weapons to.

Ian

 

[Ian H]

Israel’s parliament has voted to ban the United Nations relief and works agency (Unrwa) from the country within 90 days, in defiance of US and other international pressure to maintain the largest provider of humanitarian assistance to the country’s Palestinian population.
Israeli lawmakers also voted to declare Unrwa a terror group, effectively banning any direct interaction between the UN agency and the Israeli state.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ill-that-could-halt-unwra-relief-work-in-gaza

 

[AndyRM]

Oh but it's Hamas' fault for stuffing the UNRWA with operatives...

Even though they haven't.

Unless you're a total dipsh!t and believe UN Watch.

 

[C R]

Israel’s parliament has voted to ban the United Nations relief and works agency (Unrwa) from the country within 90 days, in defiance of US and other international pressure to maintain the largest provider of humanitarian assistance to the country’s Palestinian population.
Israeli lawmakers also voted to declare Unrwa a terror group, effectively banning any direct interaction between the UN agency and the Israeli state.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ill-that-could-halt-unwra-relief-work-in-gaza

They don't want any impartial witnesses. What next, Theresienstadt by the Gazan shore?

 

[Ian H]

They don't want any impartial witnesses. What next, Theresienstadt by the Gazan shore?

They're taking advantage of the fact that the US foreign policy is pretty much paralysed by the forthcoming election. The USA is the only country with the financial and political clout to effectively intervene (if they wanted to).