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C R

C R

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Jeremy Bowen gave it both barrels to Israel this morning in radio 4, even questioning Israel's good faith going into the deal.
 
dutchguylivingintheuk

dutchguylivingintheuk

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C R said:
Jeremy Bowen gave it both barrels to Israel this morning in radio 4, even questioning Israel's good faith going into the deal.
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Did he also question the terrorist's good faith or is that too much to ask? (and with terrorist i mean Hamas, palestinian Jihad and similar groups)
 
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Psamathe

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dutchguylivingintheuk said:
Did he also question the terrorist's good faith or is that too much to ask? (and with terrorist i mean Hamas, palestinian Jihad and similar groups)
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The reason behind questioning Israel's "good faith" is that several Israeli MPs who are currently in Government are quitting and have stated that if the 2nd phase happens rather than a return to war then they will use their balance of power to bring the Government down and history has demonstrated that Netanyahu will do anything to stay in power.

ie with regard to this agreement there have been no signs of possible bad faith from Hamas whereas there have been from Israel.

Going into an agreement with the intent of not fulfilling that agreement is not good faith.

Ian
 
multitool

multitool

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The entire history of Israel's behaviour in the so-called peace process for 30 years has been in bad faith.

Israel has held all the cards for decades and it has paid lip service to peace efforts in order not to appear the pariah terrorist state that it actually is.

The last 15 months has not been 'war', it has been terrorism against a civilian population.
 
dutchguylivingintheuk

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C R said:
None of those are supposedly rule of law based internationally recognised governments.
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Yet they where ruling Gaza and orchestrated the countless attacks on Isreal.


Psamathe said:
The reason behind questioning Israel's "good faith" is that several Israeli MPs who are currently in Government are quitting and have stated that if the 2nd phase happens rather than a return to war then they will use their balance of power to bring the Government down and history has demonstrated that Netanyahu will do anything to stay in power.
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So? How does that change the fact that Hamas and friends are equally untrustworthy? Remember unless you like some lefties so in the Hamas fanzone that you chose to ignore Hamas said they liked the way it was going, they wanted more civilian death as the international community wasn't happy with isreal because of this.

Psamathe said:
ie with regard to this agreement there have been no signs of possible bad faith from Hamas whereas there have been from Israel.
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you're on strong stuff broh

Psamathe said:
Going into an agreement with the intent of not fulfilling that agreement is not good faith.

Ian
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Hamas has a history of actions like that. It took them 2 years after the agreement to stop sending children as suicide bombers for example. But hey no signs right? seriously question whether you're ignorant or drunk whilst typing those words.
 
Ian H

Ian H

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dutchguylivingintheuk said:
Yet they where ruling Gaza and orchestrated the countless attacks on Isreal.



So? How does that change the fact that Hamas and friends are equally untrustworthy? Remember unless you like some lefties so in the Hamas fanzone that you chose to ignore Hamas said they liked the way it was going, they wanted more civilian death as the international community wasn't happy with isreal because of this.


you're on strong stuff broh


Hamas has a history of actions like that. It took them 2 years after the agreement to stop sending children as suicide bombers for example. But hey no signs right? seriously question whether you're ignorant or drunk whilst typing those words.
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So how should the Palestinians have countered the relentless expropriation of land, the continuous low-level harassment, the jailings and killings, all by the Israeli forces (and the settlers)?
 
cookiemonster

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dutchguylivingintheuk said:
Yet they where ruling Gaza and orchestrated the countless attacks on Isreal.



So? How does that change the fact that Hamas and friends are equally untrustworthy? Remember unless you like some lefties so in the Hamas fanzone that you chose to ignore Hamas said they liked the way it was going, they wanted more civilian death as the international community wasn't happy with isreal because of this.


you're on strong stuff broh


Hamas has a history of actions like that. It took them 2 years after the agreement to stop sending children as suicide bombers for example. But hey no signs right? seriously question whether you're ignorant or drunk whilst typing those words.
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dutchguylivingintheuk

dutchguylivingintheuk

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Ian H said:
So how should the Palestinians have countered the relentless expropriation of land, the continuous low-level harassment, the jailings and killings, all by the Israeli forces (and the settlers)?
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Like how Isreal did? developing a somewhat functional soceity,somewhat of a justice system and army and security forces? and before you start with ''but how can they if there surrounded by idiots?'' when Isreal was founded they where surrounded by even more idiots. palestina/Gaza is basically the same mess it is today as it was 40 year because they are enabled to stay that way, similarly as many other parts of the world. NGO/funding etc. only works if it's temporarly and spend correctly, otherwise you fund terror tunnels so the druglords can make a few millions more and let the rest of the population die of poor drinking water, malnutrition etc. (in the example of Gaza)
 
dutchguylivingintheuk

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C R said:
Bowen said something along the lines of there's no fighting going on, there's bombing and shelling by the Israeli army.
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So exactly the same what Hamas has been doing in the years prior to 7 October, they just weren't very effective because Israel built something call bomb-bunkers and air defences? You know the thing Hamas refuses because they don't care about death civilians.
 
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