Israel / Palestine

[Psamathe]

Could you please link to your comments on the actions by the other G7 leaders?

thx

You'll have to do your own analysis (you could try Google or other search engines).

I'm a UK resident and Starmer is my PM so it's reasonable for me to consider how well he and his ministers are representing my views.

Why can't we agree to disagree and allow the interesting discussions to progress and not clog the thread with posts of no interest to others not making points relevant to discussions?

Ian

 

[matticus]

I'm a UK resident and Starmer is my PM so it's reasonable for me to consider how well he and his ministers are representing my views.

So why did you drag the G7 aspect into it??

Why can't we agree to disagree and allow the interesting discussions to progress and not clog the thread with posts of no interest to others not making points relevant to discussions?

Then please make some interesting points about Palestine (and how to save lives there) without turning it into "... and Starmer is ALSO to blame for this mess, because " (although I do agree that he's to blame for what happened in 1948 ... )

 

[Psamathe]

So why did you drag the G7 aspect into it??

Then please make some interesting points about Palestine (and how to save lives there) without turning it into "... and Starmer is ALSO to blame for this mess, because " (although I do agree that he's to blame for what happened in 1948 ... )

I mentioned the G7 to try and emphasise UK should regard itself as a significant player in the world (do I have to explain every detail of all my posts to you?).

I do note that when others have raised Starmer in relation to Gaza in this thread you've just ignored it but seem to have taken real offence to my raising it. Have I picked up my personal stalker?

Put me on your ignore list and allow the thread to continue important and interesting discussions. So you taken some offence about me, sorry, don't know why I've upset you so much but maybe that's life but give it a rest please (if only to stop boring other forum participants).

Ian

 

[matticus]

I mentioned the G7 to try and emphasise UK should regard itself as a significant player in the world (do I have to explain every detail of all my posts to you?).

I put it to you that there are many countries with more influence in this particular mess than those 7.

(if you want a "discussion"; why does the UK have a right to decide what solution to impose on a region 2,000 miles away? I'd say the same about Italy, France and Canada.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I put it to you that there are many countries with more influence in this particular mess than those 7.

(if you want a "discussion"; why does the UK have a right to decide what solution to impose on a region 2,000 miles away? I'd say the same about Italy, France and Canada.

Has anyone said that the UK should have a right to decide the solution to impose? Or Italy, or the USA?

 

[Psamathe]

if you want a "discussion"; why does the UK have a right to decide what solution to impose on a region 2,000 miles away? I'd say the same about Italy, France and Canada.

I wasn't suggesting the UK impose anything. But our leadership can express a view, particularly eg about the legality of genocide. There are a wide range of positions between ignoring events (outside your borders) and imposing your will. On occasions silence of ignoring aggression or by continuing arms supply can be interpreted as support. To me fence sitting while vast numbers if innocent civilians are killed, have their homes and livelihoods destroyed, have food, medical needs witheld, etc. is wrong and I feel it reasonable that I can be critical of the leadership I play a part in electing when they fail to represent my views (it being irrelevant whether or not I voted for them).

Ian

 

[matticus]

Has anyone said that the UK should have a right to decide the solution to impose? Or Italy, or the USA?

Is this what Psamathe meant by an "interesting discussion"? I think I'll pass, no offence ..

 

[matticus]

To me fence sitting while vast numbers if innocent civilians are killed,

Didn't the UK government support the (various) ceasefires?

 

[tarric]

That's a weird aspect I can't get my head around. Everybody (incl. White House aids) seem unanimous that it isn't going to happen, isn't legal, etc. and are "reducing" the proposal so why is Trump still pursuing it so hard? Apparently Israel can't (no legal authority) so he'd need Palestine and the Palestinian people!

Only thoughts I have is either Trump is too daft to listen to anybody (at least not when he sees a prospective site for another "Trump Towers" or maybe he's trying to distract from other events he doesn't want prominently reported?

Ian

The latter IMO have you seen some of the s***e that's going on over there and the press, well certainly hear in the UK have whole programmes/columns on what, if and maybe going to happen to Gaza.

 

[multitool]

Didn't the UK government support the (various) ceasefires?

Yep

But of course when Starmer said, a year ago, "there should be an immediate ceasefire and the fighting should stop" what he really meant was 'kill all the arabs'.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Is this what Psamathe meant by an "interesting discussion"? I think I'll pass, no offence ..

I'll take that as a no to my question then.

None taken.

 

[CXRAndy]

Yvonne Ridley.

Hamas giving "goody bags" to hostages is an "act of kindness"

Let's see what Saturday brings

 

[multitool]

Well this is a surprise (not).

Looks like Nethanyahu has found a way to perpetuate his war, which he needs to keep himself out of prison. He's breaking the ceasefire agreement and trying to blame Hamas.

Meanwhile, in the UK, the propaganda is so pervasive that few have thought to ask why the Palestinians don't seem to be celebrating in the street when their prisoners (aka hostages) are released in the way that the Israelis are. Could it be that Palestinians are souless animals unlike the brave, suffering Israelis? Or is it that they are forbidden, at gunpoint, by those brave Israelis. Just another example of the repression these people have faced their entire lives.

See also the lack of curiosity as to who these Palestinian prisoners are. And yet it transpires many of them are children and women. Why are children and women being held in Israeli prisons?

Contrast this with the pervasive propaganda which means we know the names, faces, and families of Israeli hostages and we are shown interviews of crying relatives.

It shames us all.

 

[CXRAndy]

It shames the fools that fall for the Hamas propaganda

 

[C R]

It shames us all.

That it does