Israel / Palestine
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C R
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Yes, we know you have a hard on for fascist totalitarians. Other than that, do you have anything new to tell us?
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
So that far-right extremist is deemed and bigger threat makes islamic terrorist sweathearts? I think some people with bad memories on a bridge in London, a bus in London, a Ariande Grande concert in Birmingham strongly disagree with you.
A dangerous downplay anyway ''yeah they far right is far more dangerous so no sweat bro..'' I think it's an very valid point to look into terrorist organizations trying to infiltrate's into our society, not matter if they are muslim, far right, extreme left or anything else. the Muslim brotherhood is just one of them, sadly enough i'm pretty sure the like of you would understand this point if you replace ''muslim bortherhood'' with ''proud bros'' or ''KKK'' although they currently more us based.
What is that sick need to defend Muslim terrorist's, ? 13% is no number to downplay
I was responding to "Amjad Taha speaks to cluelessly surprised Camilla Tominey .. he says “The UK has more extremists than the Middle East”" which was focusing on Islamic. It helps to base assessments and understanding on fact rather than spin.
Ian
BoldonLad
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Whilst Prevent’s effectiveness is in question due to recent events, not sure such “evidence” either way is reliable.
Except that referrals don't relate to Prevent's performance (they have no control over who is referred).
Thinking more about how one measures extremists as attacks are probably the tip of the iceberg. eg I'd guess that many of the bin burners at Southport were likely classifiable as extremist and probably not many holding islamic beliefs.
Ian
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
Which is a spin, because even tough far right extremist are a ''bigger concern'' the biggest weapon fact of far right extremists are the riots this summer which are especially for someone not western like me indeed concerning, but the second is Islamic extremism which has lead and continues to lead to for more worrying incidents.
which also highlights the problem with these percentages, they don't say a lot, it seems far right is far less organized and successful or they is a big difference in the definition and type of action far right extremist are willing to take compared to islamic extremist is not comparable. the last one is fr more aggresive as we all i assume known.
BoldonLad
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I wasn't "taking sides" right wing vs Islamists (or any other group, my only desire is to not be killed/injured by some lunatic, whatever their ideology). There may or not be reliable figures for erroneous "discharge" or right wing nutcases vs islamist nut cases, if there is, I have been unable to find them, this in itself is not really surprising, since, you dont know a "mistake" has been made until some disaster happens.
I agree. I suppose I was just trying to "push back" a bit against the far-right perpetually going on about islamic extremists when it's nothing like as straight forward and as you say very complex to analyse eg 1000 extremists who sit at home drinking beer is less of an impact that 1 who goes out with bad intent. But those that sit at home acting as keyboard warriors trying to spread their message can be building far bigger problems for the future. Then when you get politicians consider by some as mainstream further pushing the far-right agenda/message and oppressing those of differing religions or beliefs which will drive a %age to more extreme response ...
Ian
CXRAndy
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I've no data to dispute these terrorist attacks figures for the UK
View: https://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1809848022940930138?t=EnuK-J52RQhzUqO3zhtPUA&s=19
Another poster also added the injured from these attacks too
if you add up those injured David, many of whom lost limbs then you have 1000s effected. Manchester Arena 22 killed , 1,017 injured. London 7/7 ; 52 killed,770 injured....don't forget about the injured.
It's not far right to question these incidents, it right for any British citizen to question them, why they keep happening and what steps are needed to eliminate these atrocities from occurring again.
View: https://x.com/DaveAtherton20/status/1809848022940930138?t=EnuK-J52RQhzUqO3zhtPUA&s=19
Another poster also added the injured from these attacks too
if you add up those injured David, many of whom lost limbs then you have 1000s effected. Manchester Arena 22 killed , 1,017 injured. London 7/7 ; 52 killed,770 injured....don't forget about the injured.
It's not far right to question these incidents, it right for any British citizen to question them, why they keep happening and what steps are needed to eliminate these atrocities from occurring again.
multitool
Pharaoh
Not alienating a sector of the British population might be a start, Mr Troll.
After all, it's your gang of flabby spittle-flecked goons that kept telling us all about the bad things that would happen if they weren't listened to.
You see, the huge irony is that people like the 7/7 bombers and your hero, Yaxley-Lennon, are actually just two sides of the same shîtty coin.
Extremists are, by definition, extremists. They don't represent the population as a whole. If they did there would have been tens of thousands of attacks rather than not more than I can count on my fingers.
Nice try, Mr Genuine Concern.
After all, it's your gang of flabby spittle-flecked goons that kept telling us all about the bad things that would happen if they weren't listened to.
You see, the huge irony is that people like the 7/7 bombers and your hero, Yaxley-Lennon, are actually just two sides of the same shîtty coin.
Extremists are, by definition, extremists. They don't represent the population as a whole. If they did there would have been tens of thousands of attacks rather than not more than I can count on my fingers.
Nice try, Mr Genuine Concern.
dutchguylivingintheuk
Veteran
Well you came up with a statitics that showed ''right wing extremist'' are 19% of the workload of security services in response to an twitter video claiming it's strange organisations like muslim botherhood aren't banned in the Uk.
So do you disagree with the statement that an organization deemed a terrorist organization in many countries in Europe, US and many other countries(Egypt for example) should at least be considered to be banned in the uk as well?