Israel / Palestine
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multitool
Pharaoh
Well, I don't think your impression is shared by many.
Anyway this is a good read:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/09/uk-foreign-office-war-crimes-arms-gaza-yemen
...and before Claudine arrives to send facts into the memory hole, remember that almost all of this was under the previous Govt, and the Labour govt stopped arms sales to Israel less than 2 months after being elected.
Anyway this is a good read:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/feb/09/uk-foreign-office-war-crimes-arms-gaza-yemen
...and before Claudine arrives to send facts into the memory hole, remember that almost all of this was under the previous Govt, and the Labour govt stopped arms sales to Israel less than 2 months after being elected.
C R
Veteran
My not being a native English speaker may mean that I misunderstood the article, but the way I read it Starmer and Co have no interest in stopping the protection of the genocidal state of Israel.
My comment was somewhat "tongue in cheek" as I'm sure Starmer doesn't now seek a 2 state solution one state being Israel other state being US. It's more that as Starmer seems to do so often these days he tries to sit on the fence in the middle, doing as little as possible in the hope he won't offend anybody, not even trying to achieve anything in case somebody doesn't agree/like what he seeks ... net result all people/parties get pee'd off with him (and the UK).
Ian
Ian H
Legendary Member
Some arms sales, not all. There's disagreement over whether it has any real effect.
matticus
Guru
Oh wow - you really fooled me there. Hilarious!
What next? Will you post something useful about Palestine, pretending you're not just having another dig at Starmer???
My reply was because another contributor seemed uncertain as they responded "Well, I don't think your impression is shared by many." nb the quoted bit in my post put my response in context indicating what I meant.Oh wow - you really fooled me there. Hilarious!
What next? Will you post something useful about Palestine, pretending you're not just having another dig at Starmer???
It wasn't just a "dig at Starmer" as I genuinely feel he should have done a lot more to address the horrendous war, civilian deaths, etc. and trying to "sit on the fence" is a serious and significant failing.
Sorry it upset you so much. Also I don't quite understand why you seem to have developed some dislike to stuff I post (this isn't the first time I've had similar tone responses from you.
So whatever I've don't, it wasn't intentional and again lets agree to disagree and not have lots of posts of no relevance to the discussion distracting other contributors.
Ian
matticus
Guru
uh-oh. The tone police. <fear>
If you continue to post the same insincere comments on every topic under the sun, you can expect to hear the same criticisms. Don't want to hear them? Don't post on a public forum; start a blog.
Insincere? You may not agree with my views but they are my views and certainly not insincere. Not sure how you know me feelings anyway but tyet again this daft exchange is detracting from an interesting discussion and tiresome for everybody else. I repeatedly ask we agree to disagree but you seem determined to persist. I genuinely don't understand why beyond wondering if you've made incorrect assumptions.
When such atrocities are taking place, expressing that I regard a leader of a G7 country "sitting on the fence" and not trying to be particularly effectual is not insincere.
So lets give it a rest, you ignore me and allow the interesting discussion to continue.
Ian
multitool
Pharaoh
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Starmer was being accused of being a genocide enabler even before he was elected PM. There's a breathless quality to the criticisms which reveals the lack of thought as to why governments take the stances they take.
You can be certain that the true response to the events in Gaza amongst most politicians of all parties will be pure horror. However, the bigger picture for the leader is the interests of his/her country's safety and stability. The muted response to Trump's desire to annex Gaza will likely be something to do with fears of alienating the member of NATO upon whom we rely for our safety and security.
Starmer was being accused of being a genocide enabler even before he was elected PM. There's a breathless quality to the criticisms which reveals the lack of thought as to why governments take the stances they take.
You can be certain that the true response to the events in Gaza amongst most politicians of all parties will be pure horror. However, the bigger picture for the leader is the interests of his/her country's safety and stability. The muted response to Trump's desire to annex Gaza will likely be something to do with fears of alienating the member of NATO upon whom we rely for our safety and security.
That's a weird aspect I can't get my head around. Everybody (incl. White House aids) seem unanimous that it isn't going to happen, isn't legal, etc. and are "reducing" the proposal so why is Trump still pursuing it so hard? Apparently Israel can't (no legal authority) so he'd need Palestine and the Palestinian people!
Only thoughts I have is either Trump is too daft to listen to anybody (at least not when he sees a prospective site for another "Trump Towers" or maybe he's trying to distract from other events he doesn't want prominently reported?
Ian
Rusty Nails
Country Member
Or perhaps he's just building up another opportunity to claim that the political establishment is against him.