Think you guys are lost in the weeds.
Don't think Hamas (who are
supported by Palestinians in Gaza overwhelmingly) had any real choice.
Correction, they had the majority support in 2006/07 there is no meaningful way to measure their current support. Same for Putin and other dictators, they tend to kill those who say ''i don't really like you'' so as a result, people may think ''those Hamas guys really suck balls'' but won't say it.
If they did not erupt, with
Biden's push for Abraham Accords, even fellow Arabs are potentially turning a blind eye to c60% of West Bank under Israeli occupation with c700k settlers etc. etc. all against UN resolution, what hope do their children have?
I going to recycle a word you use below
measured so you blame Isreal for not responding
measured goed knowns whatever the hell that means, two days ago they still received a fresh rocket barrage, just because it has almost zero effect on Isreal because they have an epic air defence doesn't make it right.
But that aside, if we go with you analogy above Hamas
needed to do something, and providing clean water to Gazzans wasn't one of them child killers as they are. But ok, they needed to do something, you blame Isreal for not being
measured yet Hamas killed, raped, dehumidified, raped corpses of everything in sight, what about their
measured response? Or does that term only apply to Isreal?
Of course status quo would have persisted if the Israelis had reacted to Oct 7th in a measured manner. Chance for that was always miniscule though - the Israelis never did that in the past so why now with a rampant right wing government led by one destined for jail for corruption if he lose power? The rest is history - which government is interested in a closer relationship with Israel now?
You can say that from both of them, Hamas power isn't measured in corruption etc. but it is in terms of how effective are they, at the time of Isis hayday which coincidently is also when Hamas started planning these attacks according to they spokesperson, which predates your claimed ''motive'' of Isreal-Saudi ties. But Isis at the time claimed that they would have dealt with Isreal and also claimed they would reach Palestine cleanse it off Hamas and then deal with Isreal.
The reailty was a bit different but the point being, you could Argue they where and are both in a position of now or never, and yes Netanyahu shouldn't be in power, but any more
measured response would have lead to Hamas claiming victory and tightening his grip on Gaza. As well is Lebanon-Iran axiss probably moving in aswell. (They played Hamas, helped them a bit said they would help but at the sight of the us military toys buildup they got cold feet)
That is of course not to say Hamas has won - just like Ukraine, vastly outgunned, their best hope is maintaining the tension. But unlike Ukraine, they know geopolitically time is on their side, because it is not on US' (and hence Israel's). The outcome will keep the Saudi - Iran peace brokered by China on track, make Abbas' puppet position untenable, and decimate US (and most Western) "soft power" worldwide by exposing their hypocrisy - who can keep a straight face when Western leaders lecture them on "rules based order" after their current reaction to dead Gazan children?
For Hamas it's an even when i lose i win situation, it's name is now made, their ''ruling'' gazza wasn't a long term thing anyway, you talk about death chilren but do you have any idea how many children died under Hamas rule because amongst other things the lack of clean water? under the watchfull eye of Hamas leaders from their mansions and the UN? Hamas main leaders are safe in Qatar, safe to pop up at any other opportunity once a new vacuum has to be filled. only to fook off to saver places again once it has been setup so they can be the laughing third again.
I think you're wrong about US-Isreal support, they have done many things wrong in the past and they still have their support, because the alternative would embolden their arch rival Iran, and lead to an other destruction of the Jewish people like we saw on October 7.
So will the Palestinians say their terrible sacrifice is worth it? Josephus' legend of the siege of Masada is still held in awe by many after 2000 years, as all Jews should know.
For Hamas it is, Palestinians never got a choice.
