AuroraSaab
Shaman
What's the explanation for rape?
Israel / Palestine
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Ian H
Legendary Member
It's one of those uncomfortable facts that, wherever you get movements struggling against oppressors, you get atrocities on both sides. In fact atrocities happen wherever there is conflict.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
Rape though? It's not like it's an inevitable part and parcel of armed conflict. Rape isn't an instrument, the use of which frees you from oppression.
Ian H
Legendary Member
Perhaps you should write nicely to the IDF, Hamas, the Congo separatists and any others, asking them to stop.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
Perhaps you could stop regarding raping people as an inevitable part of the human condition. There's no need whatsoever for sexual assault to play a part in the struggle against oppression.
multitool
Guest
I said Hamas are entirely the product of their environment.
Take a day off, Aurora.
Ian H
Legendary Member
As I said, write and tell them that. See where it gets you. All violence is horrible, but no-one has yet found the way to stop it. Perhaps you could try.
BoldonLad
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There may follow the inevitable discussion of "freedom fighters" vs "terrorists", but, leaving that to one side, isn't the whole point of "terrorism" to spread terror (the clue is in the name), in pursuance of a cause. Hence, the committing of various hideous acts is used to achieve that end (ie the spreading of terror) and, hence achieve the object of the terrorist.
None of the above implies I support or agree with such acts.
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I think the Israeli they had on the BBC news Rami Igra the former head of Mossad Prisoners and Missing Persons Department explained it very well, to para phrase what he said Hamas made a mistake couldn't find the real body or didn't know where the real body was this is a war zone these things happen, not that it will stop Israel form using it to stir further hatred. Of course the two children of the woman whose body is missing were murdered probably by an Israeli bomb.
AuroraSaab
Shaman
You'd think the mother's body would be next to the children's bodies if they were killed by a bomb as claimed and therefore easy to locate. They would know by the clothes at least.
Instead there's a (presumably Gazan) family who have a mother or daughter unaccounted for because Hamas decided to put a random body in a coffin because they were under pressure to produce the remains of the Bibas family. I think Hamas did their fair share of hatred stirring when they turned the handing over of remains into a public party.
Instead there's a (presumably Gazan) family who have a mother or daughter unaccounted for because Hamas decided to put a random body in a coffin because they were under pressure to produce the remains of the Bibas family. I think Hamas did their fair share of hatred stirring when they turned the handing over of remains into a public party.
HMS_Dave
Regular
If you are genuinely interested on why that probably isn't the case, then i hope this short clip helps and rather than write in words, best to use your imagination on this one... By the way, Israel are in possession of a number of bombs, ranging from 250lbs to 2000lbs and were used extensively. Biden's administration shipped thousands of 2000lb bombs to Israel.
multitool
Guest
No, you'd think that.
You do realise that bombs tear people apart and hurl chunks of flesh hundreds of metres, don't you?
AuroraSaab
Shaman
Well it's all a bit grim us speculating but it's odd that the 2 children's bodies are intact but the mother's, who was probably right next to them, was completely disintegrated to the point of not being able to identify even a shred of clothing.
Having seen the actions of Hamas on October 7th I don't find it implausible that the most likely answer is they murdered 2 small children and their mother because they were the most troublesome hostages to cope with, probably crying a lot or ill.
Having seen the actions of Hamas on October 7th I don't find it implausible that the most likely answer is they murdered 2 small children and their mother because they were the most troublesome hostages to cope with, probably crying a lot or ill.
HMS_Dave
Regular
It is very grim indeed.
There could be a multitude of variables and i suspect any reality to any claim would largely be hidden forever. That's the sick thing about any war regardless of blame.