It's a rout - is the old order on the way out?

[classic33]

There is perhaps a tendency to assume that the party someone supports 'just haven't got the message across'. Whereas the reality may be that voters have got the message but don't like it.

Or that the message given by another party was more appealing in the days before their vote was cast.
The proof of the pudding is providing what they said in their message though. And in this day and age, means people expect it quicker than ever.
They've to sit and wait, they'll lose interest, but remember what was promised.

 

[Rusty Nails]

There is perhaps a tendency to assume that the party someone supports 'just haven't got the message across'. Whereas the reality may be that voters have got the message but don't like it.

‘May be’ covers a lot from very little chance to almost certainly, so you’re on strong ground there.

 

[CXRAndy]

Rose coloured historical glasses.

You forget, Cameron, spent over £60 million sending every household a glossy brochure on the benefits of being in the EU. Every retired politician, film actor, rock and pop star they could find to help prop up their position. Even president of the USA.

Yet they never said what the real benefits were of staying in the EU, they just battered the thick people of the north with negativity of their own beliefs.

And after all that, people still didn't want to stay.

 

[monkers]

Points are being raised about the messaging.

The Reform manifesto and indeed the words of Farage, are that we must go harder and faster.

In response to the rout;

Starmer: ‘Labour must go further and faster to deliver after Runcorn defeat’​

This is quite some admittance, and to paraphrase it ''I'm up to the challenge of racing to the bottom''.

fark the woke, fark the poor, fark the hungry children, fark those who rely on 'state handouts', fark the pensioners, fark net zero.''

Meanwhile Streeting boasts that he has shortened NHS waiting times, so now is the time to sack a load of them while Starmer talks about training up loads more to meet the skill shortage.

Three parties, one manifesto, yet they war.

 

[Psamathe]

Points are being raised about the messaging.

The Reform manifesto and indeed the words of Farage, are that we must go harder and faster.

In response to the rout;

Starmer: ‘Labour must go further and faster to deliver after Runcorn defeat’​

This is quite some admittance, and to paraphrase it ''I'm up to the challenge of racing to the bottom''.

fark the woke, fark the poor, fark the hungry children, fark those who rely on 'state handouts', fark the pensioners, fark net zero.''

Meanwhile Streeting boasts that he has shortened NHS waiting times, so now is the time to sack a load of them while Starmer talks about training up loads more to meet the skill shortage.

Three parties, one manifesto, yet they war.

Certainly to me it highlights Starmer's inability and lack of sensitivity. Just like he was and the damage he did at the CPS. ie people have expressed how they don't like what we are doing so we'll do even more of what they don't like and we'll do it faster.

Does beggar belief.

Ian

 

[AuroraSaab]

Yet they never said what the real benefits were of staying in the EU, they just battered the thick people of the north with negativity of their own beliefs.

And after all that, people still didn't want to stay.

They should have spent longer on saying they knew it wasn't working for everyone and emphasising the economic benefits and committing to leveling out the disadvantages. Instead everyone was banging on about not retiring to France, whether your foreign holidays would be expensive, and your kids not going on Erasmus. These 'benefits' were irrelevant to those at the bottom of the social and economic pile.

 

[icowden]

And after all that, people still didn't want to stay.

Except for the people of Northern Ireland, the people of Scotland and the people of Wales you mean?

 

[monkers]

No.

Who did you vote for?

Not my question, but I'm not ''woke shy''. I vote Green.

 

[bobzmyunkle]

I'm not ''woke shy''.

Me neither, I didn't vote.*
My question to @Stevo 666 was rhetorical.

These voters must have voted for different parties in the past, so how do you explain their apparent lowering of IQ?

He thinks I can't answer his question when obviously his argument is, shall we say, the argument a Reform voter might come up with/be taken in by.

* No election in my area.

 

[CXRAndy]

Except for the people of Northern Ireland, the people of Scotland and the people of Wales you mean?

As a percentage of the area, yes they were more in favour of staying in the EU.

However this was a total tally across the whole country.

Small pockets were very pro EU, London obviously, if I remember Cornwall was too. Then the differences were more even outside the cities

 

[monkers]

Rose coloured historical glasses.

You forget, Cameron, spent over £60 million sending every household a glossy brochure on the benefits of being in the EU. Every retired politician, film actor, rock and pop star they could find to help prop up their position. Even president of the USA.

Yet they never said what the real benefits were of staying in the EU, they just battered the thick people of the north with negativity of their own beliefs.

And after all that, people still didn't want to stay.

The cost is as irrelevant as your point. It is a legal requirement that in the case of a referendum, a letter of explanation must be sent to every household. I have no reason to defend Cameron.

What would be relevant and welcome is criticism of the content of the letter.

Obama warned that there would be no imminent trade agreement with the US, but the clever Brexiters told him to shut up because they knew better than the President of the US about this. Who was correct, Obama or the Brexiteers?

What you are saying is every retired politician, film actor, rock and pop start turned out to be right too.

While everybody knew who was running the two Leave campaigns, few could name the man running the one Remain campaign. I bet you can't either without searching for the answer - because whatever he or she had to say would be of no interest to you.

The allegations that Brexit voters had low educational achievement was not the allegation before the 'neverenddumb', it came later when the survey results revealed it.

Still, carry on as usual, and don't let the facts get in the way of a convenient story eh?

 

[CXRAndy]

Didn't Osbourne say the economy would crash, there would be need for an emergency budget. Non of that happened.

People don't believe politicians anymore. They are sick to death of promises made by both main parties for decades.

This is why they are moving to reform. There is nothing left for them.

 

[monkers]

Didn't Osbourne say the economy would crash, there would be need for an emergency budget. Non of that happened.

People don't believe politicians anymore. They are sick to death of promises made by both main parties for decades.

This is why they are moving to reform. There is nothing left for them.

He did. He was right. It's just that the process of leaving took longer because as we know parliament became stuck, therefore the crash took longer than he anticipated, but still the crash has happened.

Still in doubt? The sovereign debt of the UK has tripled. There are plenty of articles on-line that will tell you the extent of the damage, and plenty of small businesses happy to tell you about the effects. You just need your ears, eyes, and mind open to the facts.

Braverman told the country that there would be no divorce bill and the UK would get a windfall payment from leaving. She lied. The divorce bill added £30bn to our debt to be able to pay it, there was no windfall.

 

[monkers]

These were the promises MAGANDY ..


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF3jEsMHsjc



View: https://youtu.be/P5lX--LIGQo

 

[Rusty Nails]

Didn't Osbourne say the economy would crash, there would be need for an emergency budget. Non of that happened.

People don't believe politicians anymore. They are sick to death of promises made by both main parties for decades.

This is why they are moving to reform. There is nothing left for them.

You are probably right about the disillusionment felt with the performance of our politicians, but do you really believe that this inexperienced bunch of misfits and grifters in Reform, who have so far been able to make a pile of promises with no responsibility at all to enact them will be any different when faced with the restrictions of operating within financial, constitutional and legal restraints?

What can possibly go wrong?