Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Fab Foodie]

More Brexit winning for the pig industry….
Abattoir labour shortage sees Yorkshire farmer kill piglets https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58749841

 

[Tanis8472]

Numbers are going well.
285-17

Hahahahaha

https://yorkshirebylines.co.uk/regular-features/the-davis-downside-dossier-2/

 

[Fab Foodie]

Telling it how it is, the view from our neighbours….

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...tages-seen-from-abroad?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

 

[Unkraut]

Telling it how it is, the view from our neighbours….

There was a similar piece reporting from the Conservative Party conference last night on the news here. They are supposed to be as objective as possible, but it is almost impossible not to see much of what is happening as a result of the actions of the British government coupled with the consequences of the Brexit they have engineered. The report concluded that Johnson's government has little idea of what to actually do to solve the problems other than invent a new set of political slogans. However, with the Tories still well ahead in the polls that may be all they need to do!

 

[Milkfloat]

I don’t think the Tories even need to stop lurching from one f@@k up to another, the voters were all warned that Brexit was going to make things worse for them by pretty much all independent and trustworthy organisation even before Boris got elected and they chose that via the ballot box. Brexit is clearly about more than the rational thinking that us Remainer’s hung our hats on and is more about the sovereignty and blue passports that we like to take the piss out of. I am not sure who the real mugs are in all of this.

 

[Tanis8472]

Merry Christmas,

Enjoy your 'forrin' turkeys.

285. Turkeys: Christmas turkeys are to be imported from France and Poland to make up for the shortfall in UK production after farmers reared one million fewer birds due to labour shortages. In the past UK farmers were able to meet 100% of domestic demand but now supermarkets have been forced to buy from the EU.

😂

 

[BoldonLad]

I don’t think the Tories even need to stop lurching from one f@@k up to another, the voters were all warned that Brexit was going to make things worse for them by pretty much all independent and trustworthy organisation even before Boris got elected and they chose that via the ballot box. Brexit is clearly about more than the rational thinking that us Remainer’s hung our hats on and is more about the sovereignty and blue passports that we like to take the piss out of. I am not sure who the real mugs are in all of this.

As a fellow Remainer, I agree. I do, however, think it sad that given they have had 5 years to get their act together, it is rather sad that British Industry (including Agriculture and Transport) appear to have failed miserably.

 

[icowden]

I do, however, think it sad that given they have had 5 years to get their act together

5 years? Where do you get that from?

The Government had no plans in place at the start of Brexit and has dismally failed to give any long term planning advice or guidance. They were told that customs requirements would mean that many more vets would be needed for customs checks. If you pay vets more to do custom checks than abbatoir checks, guess where the vets are going to go? Plus at the same time you tell any vets that weren't UK residents to 'f' off back to where they came from, and then wonder why you have problems?

Even in the face of disaster the governement is *still* doing it.

The PM said the economy was facing the "stresses and strains that you'd expect from a giant waking up" after Covid.
But he insisted it was a "turning point" for the UK to move away from relying on low paid and low skilled workers from abroad.

The government announced temporary visas for some sectors, including 5,000 for delivery drivers.
But the prime minister revealed to BBC Breakfast only 127 applications had been made for those visas so far.
He said: "What we said to the road haulage industry was 'fine, give us the names of the drivers that you want to bring in and we will sort out the visas, you've got another 5,000 visas'.
"They only produced 127 names so far. What that shows is the global shortage."

I mean, you just couldn't make this rowlocks up! Firstly Boris thinks that the Haulage industry has a list of drivers twiddling their thumbs on the continent. Secondly, that the tempting offer of two months work in a country that hates you, where you can't wash and have to piss in a bottle, then bugger off on Christmas eve or you'll be deported is going to have people queued round the block. Even if, having been allowed 5,000 visas, haulage companies advertised immediately, I'd expect 2-3 weeks before actually having all the information to apply for a visa for the staff, and I'd expect most potential drivers, even if the contract was really much more lucrative, to have to work some sort of notice period for their current employer. Even if they are freelance, the chances are that some time will be needed.

I think what it does tell us, is that the ministers deciding this rubbish have never actually had a proper job.

 

[BoldonLad]

5 years? Where do you get that from?

The Government had no plans in place at the start of Brexit and has dismally failed to give any long term planning advice or guidance. They were told that customs requirements would mean that many more vets would be needed for customs checks. If you pay vets more to do custom checks than abbatoir checks, guess where the vets are going to go? Plus at the same time you tell any vets that weren't UK residents to 'f' off back to where they came from, and then wonder why you have problems?

Even in the face of disaster the governement is *still* doing it.





I mean, you just couldn't make this rowlocks up! Firstly Boris thinks that the Haulage industry has a list of drivers twiddling their thumbs on the continent. Secondly, that the tempting offer of two months work in a country that hates you, where you can't wash and have to piss in a bottle, then bugger off on Christmas eve or you'll be deported is going to have people queued round the block. Even if, having been allowed 5,000 visas, haulage companies advertised immediately, I'd expect 2-3 weeks before actually having all the information to apply for a visa for the staff, and I'd expect most potential drivers, even if the contract was really much more lucrative, to have to work some sort of notice period for their current employer. Even if they are freelance, the chances are that some time will be needed.

I think what it does tell us, is that the ministers deciding this rubbish have never actually had a proper job.

The referendum result was 2016 (if memory serves). It is now 2021. So, regardless of Government action (which I would agree has hardly been impressive, Industry has had five years to make contingency plans, recruit staff, train staff etc etc. It would appear, they (Industry) have been asleep on the job. What a surprise, that has never happened before.

The fact that we have a bunch of incompetents, who could not organise a p*ss up in a brewery, as MPs (of all parties) is hardly news, when was it any different?

 

[stowie]

The referendum result was 2016 (if memory serves). It is now 2021. So, regardless of Government action (which I would agree has hardly been impressive, Industry has had five years to make contingency plans, recruit staff, train staff etc etc. It would appear, they (Industry) have been asleep on the job. What a surprise, that has never happened before.

The fact that we have a bunch of incompetents, who could not organise a p*ss up in a brewery, as MPs (of all parties) is hardly news, when was it any different?

This is unfair to business.

A couple of years ago, I worked with a very carefully run business that put together working groups to manage Brexit.

They spent a lot of time and money analysing the effect of Brexit on their business in an effort to decide what needed to done.

Right up until the Christmas before "Brexit day" the outcome of Brexit was really unknown. If a "no-deal" was the way this would be completely different plans to a "Norway" type deal. In short, they analysed the potential outcomes and they were so varied that it was obvious it was going to be almost impossible to plan for all likely eventualities.

Not only that, but implementing a plan for no-deal would be massively costly and quite possibly unnecessary.

So they decided to wait it out and make some basic provisions based on some guesses.

As the CEO said at the time, the only plan that could be relied upon was to see what happens and "aggressively restructure" as necessary.

A lot of businesses did try to due diligence, but it is rather to difficult to plan when the politicians making the changes don't know what they are either.

 

[Bromptonaut]

The referendum result was 2016 (if memory serves). It is now 2021. So, regardless of Government action (which I would agree has hardly been impressive, Industry has had five years to make contingency plans, recruit staff, train staff etc etc. It would appear, they (Industry) have been asleep on the job. What a surprise, that has never happened before.

It's difficult to plan for a contingency the form of which is utterly unclear. Government guidance was being issued literally as de facto Brexit happened after the transition period on 31-12-2020.

So far as supply chain logistics are concerned the MO, driven by the supermarkets, was one of cost cutting. There was no margin there to start recruiting and training people

 

[BoldonLad]

This is unfair to business.

A couple of years ago, I worked with a very carefully run business that put together working groups to manage Brexit.

They spent a lot of time and money analysing the effect of Brexit on their business in an effort to decide what needed to done.

Right up until the Christmas before "Brexit day" the outcome of Brexit was really unknown. If a "no-deal" was the way this would be completely different plans to a "Norway" type deal. In short, they analysed the potential outcomes and they were so varied that it was obvious it was going to be almost impossible to plan for all likely eventualities.

Not only that, but implementing a plan for no-deal would be massively costly and quite possibly unnecessary.

So they decided to wait it out and make some basic provisions based on some guesses.

As the CEO said at the time, the only plan that could be relied upon was to see what happens and "aggressively restructure" as necessary.

A lot of businesses did try to due diligence, but it is rather to difficult to plan when the politicians making the changes don't know what they are either.

It's difficult to plan for a contingency the form of which is utterly unclear. Government guidance was being issued literally as de facto Brexit happened after the transition period on 31-12-2020.

So far as supply chain logistics are concerned the MO, driven by the supermarkets, was one of cost cutting. There was no margin there to start recruiting and training people

I understand the problem of planning for the unknown, or, constantly shifting target, but........

there can be no excuse for not planning for staff levels, free movement of people was never on the table, indeed, ending free of people was a key objective of most "leavers" as far as I can see.

To be clear, I am not excusing Government, merely saying that they are (sadly) not the only incompetents in the arena.

 

[icowden]

The referendum result was 2016 (if memory serves). It is now 2021. So, regardless of Government action (which I would agree has hardly been impressive, Industry has had five years to make contingency plans, recruit staff, train staff etc etc.

OK - how do you plan for a thing, when you don't know what the thing is, what effect it will have, or if it will change every 3 months?

 

[Beebo]

More Brexit winning for the pig industry….
Abattoir labour shortage sees Yorkshire farmer kill piglets https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-58749841

One alpaca gets newspaper headlines for weeks.
1000s of pigs needlessly slaughtered goes almost in acknowledged.

 

[BoldonLad]

OK - how do you plan for a thing, when you don't know what the thing is, what effect it will have, or if it will change every 3 months?

a) I have already posted regarding Staff problems, these were obvious once the "Leaver" verdict was known (2016).

b) You have to make educated "guesses", you can use jargon words to make it sound more scientific, that is what CEO's etc are paid such high salaries for, isn't it?

c) As already stated, I am not absolving the Government of blame, but, they re not the only culprits IMHO.