Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[jowwy]

We have. I totally accept what has happened. The question is - what are we going to do about it?

An analogy:-

The owners of an office block run a staff referendum to decide whether the office block should have a swimming pool on the 10th floor or a 20 storey building. They aren't able to demonstrate any real benefits to having a swimming pool, whilst the staff who disagree are concerned that it will be pointless, costly and reduce the amount of business the company is able to do.

They lose the vote. The swimming pool is built - hurrah! We are now at the point where were we have realised that no-one can get past the 10th floor as the lifts were removed to make the pool the right size. The lining is leaking and water is slowly destroying the lower offices, and the heating system has failed. To add to that an architectural survey has revealed that if we don't do something the building will collapse. In the meantime, the business has lost huge amounts of money and productivity, very few people are happy except for those few still swimming in the freezing cold pool shouting "we have a pool isn't it great!".

We have Brexit. It has happened. We can clearly see the impact and how it is destroying the country. We now need change. We need to re-join the single market and negotiate for a Norway type relationship with the EU so that we can restore trade and rescue the economy.

Personally, nothing - im not in government

 

[Deleted member 28]

We're going to need a lot of popcorn....

And, off we go.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Personally, nothing - im not in government

Yeah but you can write letters and all sorts apparently?

Do some blockading and protesting as well.

 

[Mugshot]

Personally, nothing - im not in government

Hey Jowwy, good to see you.

At least you won't get a permaban from here, like you did the other place, for your staggering ability to avoid answering a question 👍

 

[icowden]

Second bolded bit..... so, is any party (with a chance of winning a GE) proposing this?

Not on the face of it, but Labour say they will work with the EU to remove tariffs, get rid of veterinary checks, solve the NI issue but without re-joining the single market. This seems to me as though they are saying we will join the single market but not in name. Just align ourselves completely with it.

Honestly I think they'd do better if they just said "look - we can see it's a clusterf*ck. You can see it's a clusterf*ck, business can see it's a clusterf*ck, we are going to rejoin the single market and rescue the economy". They are just too scared to do so because of this mythos that "the people have spoken".

 

[jowwy]

Hey Jowwy, good to see you.

At least you won't get a permaban from here, like you did the other place, for your staggering ability to avoid answering a question 👍

i answered in the way i wanted too....not the way others want me too.

 

[BoldonLad]

Not on the face of it, but Labour say they will work with the EU to remove tariffs, get rid of veterinary checks, solve the NI issue but without re-joining the single market. This seems to me as though they are saying we will join the single market but not in name. Just align ourselves completely with it.

Honestly I think they'd do better if they just said "look - we can see it's a clusterf*ck. You can see it's a clusterf*ck, business can see it's a clusterf*ck, we are going to rejoin the single market and rescue the economy". They are just too scared to do so because of this mythos that "the people have spoken".

IMHO, the Political Class are frozen, because they don’t actually know how this (Brexit) actually happened. They are afraid to make a move, because, they don’t feel confident to predict the outcome.

 

[lazybloke]

lets wait 40yrs to see if brexit was a success, rather than judging it after a year or two.....i mean thats how long we was in the european union and will take more than a few years to unwind some of the euro process's.

but i know thats not what you all want to hear.

Whilst you're patiently waiting up to 4 decades for significant benefits to materialise, what do you think about the very real impacts of Brexit that are causing pain here and now?

North Sea trade/border issue. Risks to the financial services industry. Reputational damage to the UK
Loss of EU customers for certain UK industries, eg parts of fishing/farming industry (an existential threat)/
New red tape and costs for imports/exports.
Impact to just-in-time delivery (resulting in food price inflation and damaging our manufacturing capability/effeciency).
etc

Hopefully Jacob Rees-Mogg will come up with something better by 2062 than signposts in tunnels spaced at imperial measurements.

 

[All uphill]

IMHO, the Political Class are frozen, because they don’t actually know how this (Brexit) actually happened. They are afraid to make a move, because, they don’t feel confident to predict the outcome.

I think there is a lot in this.

No answers that don't carry big political risks and few, if any, politicians ready to get off the fence and show some leadership in what they see to be the national interest.

 

[mudsticks]

Righto then, what are the benefits of Brexit @jowwy?

Because, it's a question that's been asked of numerous posters on here, and generally in public, with the response being the square root of f*ck all. However, if you've found some we would all be interested to hear them.

And there's not even that tiny little scintilla of chance that post brexit agricultural policy might have been improved,

That's been scuppered .

The answer to what are the benefits of brexit is"Very close to zero"

No one can describe them, they are at best 'hopefully' in the future..

That advisory vote has been used to downgrade this country, and the future prospects of its citizens.

To what purpose no one knows..

Jowly and all the other leavers know that..

 

[newfhouse]

not avoiding, just iving my opinion and view...i dont think anyone expected the benefits of brexit can be analysed in detail within the first few years......

Did you have any hopes or expectations yourself? What tempted you to vote as you did?

i dont need time to consider any benefits or time to post them here.....hope that helps with the answer to your question on MY views of brexit.

Oh. You've joined a politics discussion forum and posted in a Brexit thread with no intention of discussing politics or Brexit. Did I get that right? What have I missed?

 

[jowwy]

Did you have any hopes or expectations yourself? What tempted you to vote as you did?


Oh. You've joined a politics discussion forum and posted in a Brexit thread with no intention of discussing politics or Brexit. Did I get that right? What have I missed?

Read previous post answering the question, the way i want to and not the way you want me too………

 

[Mr Celine]

So, what's your point caller?

 

[newfhouse]

Read previous post answering the question, the way i want to and not the way you want me too………

I'd take any answer that addressed the question, but you do you Jonny. It's fine.

 

[icowden]

And there's not even that tiny little scintilla of chance that post brexit agricultural policy might have been improved,
That's been scuppered .

Yep. And people are very upset that Gove was fired as he was actually doing a good job and trying to improve things for tennants.