Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[winjim]

It was you that stated you had plenty of well paid staff, who also get other perks too……and as i have already stated, never seen a poor farmer, not even in wales….freelanders, land rovers and big tractors a plenty….not worried about the expense there are we….

as for the rest, your right, virtue signalling at its best….look at me, look at me

I wish I had personal wealth proportionate to the value of the tools I use to do my job, there's a lot of very expensive mass spectrometry equipment in the room next door.

 

[winjim]

Anyway, speaking of tractors, John Deere are well up on their merch. We went to a local farm shop for ice cream the other week, check out this see-saw.

 

[mudsticks]

I am proud to announce that I am one of the exceptions. I like to learn new things

Me too

Although I do get a tad overwhelmed by the complexity / interconnectivity of it all, at times.

Bringing forward a system that will be financially sustainable, less harmful to ecology, socially sound, tackle climate change, and serve up healthy food thats affordable to everyone, whilst paying farmers and growers properly for their work is no small task.

And is not being helped at all by the current gov.

We should have stayed in the EU and been part of an overall redesign of CAP .
Now we've self excluded and marginalised ourselves, in so many ways, and left ourselves and our food and farming system dangerously exposed to damaging influences.

Anyway, speaking of tractors, John Deere are well up on their merch. We went to a local farm shop for ice cream the other week, check out this see-saw.

I want a go...

But meanwhile

First tomatoes ..🙏🏼🍅💚

 

[winjim]

Me too

Although I do get a tad overwhelmed by the complexity / interconnectivity of it all, at times.

Bringing forward a system that will be financially sustainable, less harmful to ecology, socially sound, tackle climate change, and serve up healthy food thats affordable to everyone, whilst paying farmers and growers properly for their work is no small task.

And is not being helped at all by the current gov.

We should have stayed in the EU and been part of an overall redesign of CAP .
Now we've self excluded and marginalised ourselves, in so many ways, and left ourselves and our food and farming system dangerously exposed to damaging influences.



I want a go...

But meanwhile


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First tomatoes ..🙏🏼🍅💚

Nice. Looks like our wedding going on in the background.

 

[mudsticks]

So you are criticising @mudsticks for looking after her staff. I thought you said you were a labour supporter? You really ought to check in the mirror. Shafting your workforce is traditionally the preserve of the Conservative party and capitalism.

You do realise that farmers need landrovers and big tractors in order to be farmers? I've come across tradesmen who have expensive power tools - it's not because they are showing off. Similarly I work on powerful data servers - because that's where the data is, not because I want a big powerful server for the sake of it.

I imagine that whatever job you do, you have the tools to do it with?

As it happens I do have two tractors, relatively small by modern day standards

Paid for upfront, as I hate being in debt.

A lot of farmers are chasing their indebted tails, or else use the services of contractors , who mostly own all that glossy big kit

Even they are hard up against it with rising interest rates and price of fuel .

But commodity buyers drive farm returns ever downwards, and multiples and intermediaries take most of the profit.
People working in the food system at all levels from primary producer up to factory workers mcDonalds staff and the rest are some of the lowest, and most insecurely paid in the country.

It does seem curious that someone claiming to be a labour voter gets so uppity at my wanting to do the best I can by the people who work for me, and other workers in the food system.

Or be offended that I dare speak about some of the other stuff I do with other organisations to help the bigger picture in other ways .

I should just go sit in a corner and shut up about it all, I guess, that would be better right?? .

Wonder why they want me to do that??

If someone came on here and said they were an TSSA rep , they'd rubbish that as 'virtue signalling' too, I s'pose .

No wonder 'the left' can't get it together, if they as individuals are so busy rubbishing each others efforts..

 

[Deleted member 28]

People are indeed strange beings.

Said by someone who should know. 😉

 

[Xipe Totec]

It does seem curious that someone claiming to be a labour voter gets so uppity at my wanting to do the best I can by the people who work for me, and other workers in the food system.

Some people vote for political parties because that's who they vote for, without very much of a clue about the (these days, largely theoretical) differences between their ideologies or what they would mean in practice.

Did I say 'some' people? I meant most.

 

[icowden]

But you replied on behalf of someone else, about a post that wasnt aimed towards you……but thats nothing unusual in this place………weres that bandwagon gone, some more people want to jump on

Nope. I replied on behalf of myself to the discussion points raised. That's why this is a discussion forum.

 

[jowwy]

Nope. I replied on behalf of myself to the discussion points raised. That's why this is a discussion forum.

The post you quoted, was what i replied to another poster with. It wasnt aimed at you and therefore there was no need for you to quote it in your reply…….

 

[jowwy]

Yeah, I'm Scottish. But you're the one who has now brought race (twice) into our interactions. It's not something I've ever mentioned.

People are indeed strange beings.

You just dont like egyptian footballers earning more than white footballers, even though hes won tons more trophies than they have………

 

[jowwy]

Me too

Although I do get a tad overwhelmed by the complexity / interconnectivity of it all, at times.

Bringing forward a system that will be financially sustainable, less harmful to ecology, socially sound, tackle climate change, and serve up healthy food thats affordable to everyone, whilst paying farmers and growers properly for their work is no small task.

And is not being helped at all by the current gov.

We should have stayed in the EU and been part of an overall redesign of CAP .
Now we've self excluded and marginalised ourselves, in so many ways, and left ourselves and our food and farming system dangerously exposed to damaging influences.



I want a go...

But meanwhile


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First tomatoes ..🙏🏼🍅💚

I raise you, your tamotoes for my spring onions…..allthough its just a photo of one, but i grew and still am growing many

ive not mentioned it though….. cause im not a farmer, but my family and friends enjoy my over production for free

 

[Fab Foodie]

 

[mudsticks]

Some people vote for political parties because that's who they vote for, without very much of a clue about the (these days, largely theoretical) differences between their ideologies or what they would mean in practice.

Did I say 'some' people? I meant most.

That's very curious behaviour isn't it??

Thank goodness we have forums where we can discuss politics, and the world news, and how these all intersect, from the personal to the geopolitical..

Without that we'd all just be putting crosses in boxes, with no idea why -- Imagine!!!

Beyond "He'd probs be a laugh down the pub"

I always thought that labour voters supported those who laboured, and contribute in other ways, and wanted to see everyone get a fair return for those endeavours.

Not sneer at such efforts being towards fair trade, and fair pay, governments making efforts to look after the wellbeing of their citizenry - food and environment being a large contributor to that - and they also wanting progressive taxation , and spend to that end??

Have I got all these aspirations wrong all along,,,??

 

[mudsticks]

Nice. Looks like our wedding going on in the background.

Left over shelter from women + weekend..
Enjoying the shade 🌈

Nope. I replied on behalf of myself to the discussion points raised. That's why this is a discussion forum.

🙄🙂🤔

Is someone trying to impose their own 'special' forum rules again..??

Who can and can't be rude,?

Who can and can't answer questions?

Who has to respond to whom??

Who is allowed to say what they do, and who isn't??

Shades of dictator syndrome perhaps.??

Or control freakery at the very least .

Good luck with all that matey 💜😁💚

 

[jowwy]

Left over shelter from women + weekend..
Enjoying the shade 🌈

🙄🙂🤔

Is someone trying to impose their own 'special' forum rules again..??

Who can and can't be rude,?

Who can and can't answer questions?

Who has to respond to whom??

Who is allowed to say what they do, and who isn't??

Shades of dictator syndrome perhaps.??

Or control freakery at the very least .

Good luck with all that matey 💜😁💚

Is someone talking about others again, without the bottle to reply to them personally.

typical of your posts really.