Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[icowden]

No tantrums here………and i thought it was only me that threw out name calling and abuse, another case of its ok for the remainers and not for the brexiteers. But again, no one will call the remainer out on it, cause they are scared of being turned on by the in crowd.

This you?

 

[Xipe Totec]

I'll help you. The grown ups are the ones reading each others posts and responding intelligently to the posts. Why not try it?

I guess that means you'll be counting me among the not-grown-ups.

Seems fair, I'll take that.

 

[Deleted member 28]

With a third day of delays underway...

Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover because passports require extra checks.

I guess no one knew in advance these checks were needed and thought of making provision?

Of course not, just blame Brexit.

And yes we all know there's no advantage and what has anyone gained blah, blah, blah but the point is everyone knew it was coming so sort your sh*t out you incompetent fookers.

 

[Bromptonaut]

I guess no one knew in advance these checks were needed and thought of making provision?

I'm sure it's already been mentioned but the Port of Dover sought government funding to add additional booths for the PAF; government (Gove I think) turned them down.

Dover Eastern Docks are a pretty constrained site with the sea in front and the cliffs behind. A complete redesign for the consequences of Brexit would be a big project.

 

[jowwy]

I'll help you. The grown ups are the ones reading each others posts and responding intelligently to the posts. Why not try it?

So calling someone a jackass is a grown up response……nice

 

[jowwy]

This you?

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What a grown up repsonse…..

 

[Mugshot]

I guess no one knew in advance these checks were needed and thought of making provision?

Of course not, just blame Brexit.

And yes we all know there's no advantage and what has anyone gained blah, blah, blah but the point is everyone knew it was coming so sort your sh*t out you incompetent fookers.

There's already been several things posted that reference the warnings that were made concerning the consequences if the infrastructure wasn't improved, including the Port saying they needed £33m to get things ready and the government turning them down.

It was inevitable, the UK voted to be a third country, third countries have more rigorous passport checks when entering the EU. This wasn't a surprise and it was warned about not just by nobodies like me on internet forums, but by the industry experts and the government's own analysis. Yet they did nothing.

 

[Rusty Nails]

I guess no one knew in advance these checks were needed and thought of making provision?

Of course not, just blame Brexit.

And yes we all know there's no advantage and what has anyone gained blah, blah, blah but the point is everyone knew it was coming so sort your sh*t out you incompetent fookers.

Of course the government and the port/customs authorities should have known in advance and put in the huge investment in infrastructure to sort it out, but that would not have fitted in with the lie that the change was going to be seamless and that the French and other EU countries would simply implement all the changes we wanted because "they need us more than we need them".
The slogans and lies won the referendum but the government did not dare to tell us the real costs and inconvenience of a Leave vote during the campaign.
You may well still have voted Leave if you had known but I am sure many would not. No one will ever know that, of course, but many recent polls have shown that the reality of Brexit has made many change their minds.

 

[jowwy]

I guess that means you'll be counting me among the not-grown-ups.

Seems fair, I'll take that.

Ill count you amoung the pricks and twats…….seems fitting really

 

[Mugshot]

Of course the government and the port/customs authorities should have known in advance and put in the huge investment in infrastructure to sort it out, but that would not have fitted in with the lie that the change was going to be seamless and that the French and other EU countries would simply implement all the changes we wanted because "they need us more than we need them".
The slogans and lies won the referendum but the government did not dare to tell us the real costs and inconvenience of a Leave vote during the campaign.
You may well still have voted Leave if you had known but I am sure many would not. No one will ever know that, of course, but many recent polls have shown that the reality of Brexit has made many change their minds.

Exactly this.

 

[Deleted member 28]

There's already been several things posted that reference the warnings that were made concerning the consequences if the infrastructure wasn't improved, including the Port saying they needed £33m to get things ready and the government turning them down.

It was inevitable, the UK voted to be a third country, third countries have more rigorous passport checks when entering the EU. This wasn't a surprise and it was warned about not just by nobodies like me on internet forums, but by the industry experts and the government's own analysis. Yet they did nothing.

Exactly my point, of course it's due to Brexit but it still should have been sorted as part of the process.

If it's completely down to the Government refusing to acknowledge this then it's on them.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Of course the government and the port/customs authorities should have known in advance and put in the huge investment in infrastructure to sort it out, but that would not have fitted in with the lie that the change was going to be seamless and that the French and other EU countries would simply implement all the changes we wanted because "they need us more than we need them".
The slogans and lies won the referendum but the government did not dare to tell us the real costs and inconvenience of a Leave vote during the campaign.
You may well still have voted Leave if you had known but I am sure many would not. No one will ever know that, of course, but many recent polls have shown that the reality of Brexit has made many change their minds.

The vote was cast in 2016 so I'm sure once the outcome was known appropriate preparation could have been made?

 

[Mugshot]

Exactly my point, of course it's due to Brexit but it still should have been sorted as part of the process.

If it's completely down to the Government refusing to acknowledge this then it's on them.

Sorry Shep, you threw me with this,

Of course not, just blame Brexit

As @Rusty Nails said, putting the infrastructure in place, spending the money to try to lessen the effects would have been an admission that it was nothing that was promised.
The other option would have been negotiating something like Norway's deal, which maintains FOM, which is what they used to say they'd be trying to do of course.

 

[Salty seadog]

Independent link for anyone that gets triggered by the BBC or Twitter.

The Brexit divorce bill negotiated by Boris Johnson has increased by nearly £10bn compared to the official estimate when the UK left the EU, ministers have admitted.

Ithe BBC.

 

[Salty seadog]

I remember reading an article by Ben Goldacre written shortly after the referendum, maybe 2017ish after A50 was triggered. He was reassuring the reader that Brexit would not and could not happen. His reasoning was that if was going to happen, the UK would need to have already begun construction of the necessary border infrastructure and training of additional staff. Since there was no evidence of construction activity at the ports and no staff recruitment going on, none of this was happening and Brexit, particularly a hard Brexit requiring additional border checks was literally impossible.

Shows what he knows, and to think they made him a professor.

I think it shows that he did know the rationale of how it should have been but could not know the Tories was lead us in totally unprepared with their eyes closed and fingers in their ears.