Oh no!! Brexit not going quite as well as hoped

[Craig the cyclist]

Lost with 20%. This makes Lib-Dems with 13% loster and Conservatives with 11% losterer. The remaining 3% or so were running in fancy dress for charity.

But just to be clear, they didn't win in the sense of winning, just in the sense of losing?

 

[mudsticks]

Lost with 20%. This makes Lib-Dems with 13% loster and Conservatives with 11% losterer. The remaining 3% or so were running in fancy dress for charity.

I'm still a bit dissapointed that Clauds nude jolly japers weren't real .

I can't imagine them having enacted any nasty regressive policies.. 😐

 

[Mugshot]

So it isn't that we can't get our tiny brainiums around it, it's that we don't want it

6 years ago 52% of people voted to fark the country up, apparently they knew what they were voting for, but referendum results being a barometer for what's best for a coutry aren't a hill I'd be prepared to die on.

 

[deptfordmarmoset]

But just to be clear, they didn't win in the sense of winning, just in the sense of losing?

Least lostest.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

6 years ago 52% of people voted to fark the country up, apparently they knew what they were voting for, but referendum results being a barometer for what's best for a coutry aren't a hill I'd be prepared to die on.

Especially ones you don't happen to agree with?

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Least lostest.

First losers?

 

[mudsticks]

11 years ago, 68% of people said no to a change in the voting system.

Maybe it wasn't well explained

Maybe the importance wasn't understood .

Not really that long ago, some people believed that half the adult population shouldn't have a vote.

Thankfully progress is made.

Even if rather slooowwly for some of our tastes, apathy and ignorance, are rife.

Of course those who already benefit from a power imbalance will inevitably want to hang onto, or even bolster it

Hence the Tories taking over the electoral commission, and trying to bring in voter ID.

Among other anti-democratic policies they're trying on for size.

 

[winjim]

So it isn't that we can't get our tiny brainiums around it, it's that we don't want it

Since this discussion is about PR and the referendum was on AV maybe we can't after all.

Each are a little complex, FPTP is extraordinarily simple. Perhaps that's its appeal.

 

[Mr Celine]

Which is why we need PR .

But apparently that's 'too complicated' for us to get our tiny British brainiums around..

Maybe that's why we had to brexit, those fiendishly clever Europeans were just making us all feel too stoopid..

British braniums?

In more enlightened parts of these islands it's STV.

Four councillors elected in my ward, including the first local green and two young women.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Since this discussion is about PR and the referendum was on AV maybe we can't after all.

I knew you would be along ready to get all pedantic, which is why I wrote what I wrote here "a change to the voting system" no mention of PR/AV/STV etc, just a change to the system.

68% of people said no to a change in the voting system.

If the Lib Dems screwed up their choice of system and picked one which would not be acceptable is not something that can be laid at the door of Boris Johnson is it?

Nick Clegg had his chance, he messed up by choosing the most complicated. The he raised tuition fees now he works for Facebook, he did well eh? From ultra-democrat to ultra-privacy invader in 10 short years

 

[Mugshot]

Especially ones you don't happen to agree with?

Nope, especially ones that aren't in the best interest of the country.
Brexit is a disaster, that's not even a debate anymore.
No government, of any colour, should have an 80 seat majority when they didn't have a majority of the votes cast.

 

[mudsticks]

British braniums?

In more enlightened parts of these islands it's STV.

Four councillors elected in my ward, including the first local green and two young women.

Is that Walesland by any chance?

 

[winjim]

I knew you would be along ready to get all pedantic, which is why I wrote what I wrote here "a change to the voting system" no mention of PR/AV/STV etc, just a change to the system.

If the Lib Dems screwed up their choice of system and picked one which would not be acceptable is not something that can be laid at the door of Boris Johnson is it?

Nick Clegg had his chance, he messed up by choosing the most complicated. The he raised tuition fees now he works for Facebook, he did well eh? From ultra-democrat to ultra-privacy invader in 10 short years

Pedantic lol.

You're saying we're not all thick and we understand the different voting systems and then in the same breath saying that because we rejected one we rejected all.

Go on, get your average voter to explain AV and why it's not PR. I pay attention to these things and I had to look it up.

 

[Mr Celine]

Is that Walesland by any chance?

No, Scotland, which has used STV in cooncil elections since 2007. I think the Welsh are still on FPTP.

 

[Craig the cyclist]

Go on, get your average voter to explain AV and why it's not PR.

But wasn't that the job of the Lib Dem and the AV campaign team? They messed it up because despite lots of analogies about going out for a curry, pizza or carvery, and whether to go skiing, to a beach or a city break it is more confusing that what we have already.

My guess is, despite lots of protestations on here about politics, most people think that whoever is in power will eventually screw them over (Tony Blair, in on a landslide, out as a war criminal? Margaret Thatcher, in as a reformer, out as a dragon? Gordon Brown, in as a reforming chancellor, out as a disastrous PM? Jeremy Corbyn, in as a messiah, out as total failure? They all end the same way) and are happy to walk in to a small booth every 5 years or so, put a cross where they pretty much always do until they fancy a change and are down the pub 4 minutes later.

If they have to think about it more than that, then bollocks, they can't be arsed.