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Ian H

Ian H

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theclaud said:
Apparently, Yvette Cooper's strongly opposed to Patel's Rwandan concentration camps... On the grounds that they're too expensive. Thank god the grown-ups are in charge.
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Well, how else do you convince Daily Heil readers that Labour are just like slightly nicer Tories?
 
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theclaud said:
Apparently, Yvette Cooper's strongly opposed to Patel's Rwandan concentration camps... On the grounds that they're too expensive. Thank god the grown-ups are in charge.
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Would Labour support it if it was better value for money ?
 
Salty seadog

Salty seadog

Senior Member
AndyRM said:
Here's what the UK government themselves had to say about Rwanda in January 2021..

Foreign, Commonwealth & Development Office and Julian Braithwaite

25 January 2021

37th Universal Periodic Review: UK statement on Rwanda

The UK delivered a statement on Rwanda at the 37th Session of Universal Periodic Review (UPR), sharing recommendations to improve their human rights record.

The United Kingdom welcomes Rwanda’s strong record on economic and social rights, and promotion of gender equality. We remain concerned, however, by continued restrictions to civil and political rights and media freedom. As a member of the Commonwealth, and future Chair-in-Office, we urge Rwanda to model Commonwealth values of democracy, rule of law, and respect for human rights.

We recommend that Rwanda:

1. Conduct transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of extrajudicial killings, deaths in custody, enforced disappearances and torture, and bring perpetrators to justice.

2. Protect and enable journalists to work freely, without fear of retribution, and ensure that state authorities comply with the Access to Information law.

3. Screen, identify and provide support to trafficking victims, including those held in Government transit centres.
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A cynic may think these are the very reasons Rwanda was chosen.
 
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theclaud said:
Perhaps she could reopen talks with Tanzania. She will later be unveiling her renewable energy plan for refugees to cultivate groundnuts to fuel her new fleet of Go Home billboard deportation vans.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/blair-wants-asylumseeker-camp-in-africa-71062.html
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Utterly depressing what Labour have become under Starmer,I'm not even sure I know what that is.Sh1te like this doesn't help either...
"Corbyn will not regain Labour whip while endorsing Stop the War, suggests Starmer"
But one of the biggest warmongers we've had in Labour,dear old Tony is ok.
I mean I know Corbyn lives in many peoples heads but WTF lol...it's not like he attacks Starmer or undermines him.
Time for a brew....
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dutchguylivingintheuk

dutchguylivingintheuk

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mjr said:
:laugh: UKIP was nothing to do with immigration originally, founded as a purely anti-EU party by a migrant academic who Farage deposed and took the party down the immigration line as a move of sheer political opportunism.
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And that says exactly what? they went down that route because there was an opportunity, a part/group/etc. not represented.
mjr said:
Similarly, FvD was founded mainly to campaign against the Ukraine-EU Association Agreement (wow, that doesn't look so noble now) and adopted anti-migration and anti-Islamic policies later.
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Is it? i have much respect for ho Ukraine is fighting Russia but in the world corruption index there still somewhere bungling around the bottom, so no i don't think the association agreement was an good idea(especially since they where ruled by an of corruption accused oligarch at the time and no making them an member of the eu now won't be an good idea either. A Nato membership would be an better move.
For your information they where not against the association agreement they where campaigning for an referendum about that agreement just as they have done with a few other things before the dutch goverment killed the possibility to held an referendum.(at least in the way it did in the past.) it was'nt a political party back than that followed later, and they campaigned for drumroll tougher immigration stance, Nexit and some other things.(and soon after they totally lost it but that's a other story)

mjr said:
Generally, the far right cannot form coherent parties, so has to invade and hijack other parties. (AfD is different, founded as an isolationist anti-foreigners party, initially opposing the Eurozone support measures.)
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Same can be said from the far/extreme left. they are usually not that organized as they started to find the other not extreme enough and so further and so forth, i don't thing any extreme/far left or right party has an serious sollution, they usually also go as quick as they come, but it has changed the ''tone'' of the debate.
mjr said:
If you really think Hitler is left-wing, you're in a very small minority and I suggest you're out of balance.
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I didn't say he was left wing, but he was more left wing than right, and that because traditionally left wing dominates the media and power, so Hitler hijacked the socialist/left party and once he didn't need them anymore he killed them. But talking/using/exploiting's the political left of that time enabled him in this case
mjr said:
"The only way to substantially reduce the numbers crossing the Channel is through an agreement with France. That is the lesson from previous episodes of unauthorised sea crossings." https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/channel-crossings/

The UK could, of course, also become party to the Dublin III Regulation again, so asylum seekers can in some circumstances be transferred to the first EU member state in which they arrived, but I don't think Leavers are ready to let us rejoin the EU so that we can control immigration better again.
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You mean that agreement that didn't work because France was arguing over fishing rights? You mean that same EU that invited by words of Chanchellor Merkel refugees under the slogan ''wir schaffen das'' ? Which turned out to be a disaster? that? Maybe ask all the abused girls in Cologne how that worked out?
And yes that was an Alternative most of the Kurds who went to Syrian kurdistand already wen back, and instead of paying Turkey(EU i mean uk was then still part of it) we could have paid Lebanon they where and are quite successful in rooting out extremist from those camps. and the refugess would have stayed local so the changes of them turning back are much bigger.
But no europe has to pretend the only option is to get them all here and then claim it's all because those immigrants are brown that we seem more welcome to Ukrainian refugees.. Not that simple at all. But again a left ''you're all racist, and/or stupid ploy''
 
dutchguylivingintheuk

dutchguylivingintheuk

Über Member
cookiemonster said:
Covid showed that we were always able to control our borders within the EU. We saw EU and Schenghen countries shutting their borders to try and halt the Covid spread. Something that we were told we would have to leave the richest trading block on the planet to do.

It seems to me that you're very close to supporting Patel's evil scheme.

BTW, can you please proof-read your brain farts before posting as I have a sore head trying to make sense of them.
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Yes but regarding immigration is apparently impossible, but it's not the rulemakers families that are worst effected by the consequences offcourse..
 
deptfordmarmoset

deptfordmarmoset

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This is a hare-brained scheme that's planned to first distract, then fail. The blame on failure will not be cast on the scum that thought it up in the first place, but those who believe in civil liberties. Putin play book.
 
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Fab Foodie

Fab Foodie

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deptfordmarmoset said:
This is a hare-brained scheme that's planned to first distract, then fail. The blame on failure will not be cast on the scum that thought it up in the first place, but those who believe in civil liberties. Putin play book.
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It seems Priti has had to sign the agreement document herself as officials refused (apparently on cost grounds - yeah right). Maybe someone in govt. has an ounce of humanity? There's always hope....
 
mudsticks

mudsticks

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glasgowcyclist

glasgowcyclist

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And it’s not even offshore processing of asylum claims because those that are ‘successful’ will remain in Rwanda and those who ‘fail’ will also remain in Rwanda. Nobody is going to be brought back to the UK so this whole thing is a sham.

I’d call it deportation but it’s worse than that, it’s abduction.
 
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