Random political stuff - old news, or not news

[Psamathe]

Re planning, East Devon are really taking the mickey - they have a habit of plonking all their biggest developments on Exeter's finges, so they get all the council tax, but all the infrastructure challenges are dumped on Exeter.

Infrastructure seems not a consideration for Planning. Since I've lived in my current house/village (18 years) each winter we have sewage (poo, toilet paper, etc.) in the screets, coverin g roads. Anglian Water "Not our fault, blame Highways" and Highways "Not our fault, blame Anglian Water". And every new house/development Local Councillor, Parish Council & everybody object because we don't want more sewage in the streets but Planners ignore those objections and approve anyway ... and we get more sewage in the streets.

Edit: same happens in quite a few nearby villages.

 

[BoldonLad]

Infrastructure seems not a consideration for Planning. Since I've lived in my current house/village (18 years) each winter we have sewage (poo, toilet paper, etc.) in the screets, coverin g roads. Anglian Water "Not our fault, blame Highways" and Highways "Not our fault, blame Anglian Water". And every new house/development Local Councillor, Parish Council & everybody object because we don't want more sewage in the streets but Planners ignore those objections and approve anyway ... and we get more sewage in the streets.

Edit: same happens in quite a few nearby villages.

Not defending Water Companies, but, if a Developer is given planning permission for a Development, presumably, the Developer bears the cost of installing the necessary sewerage on or under the development? But, if this additional housing's sewerage output means the local treatment facility is then overloaded, presumably the Water Company bears the coat of upgrading the treatment facility? (assuming the do upgrade it of course). Other than an increase in the number of customers to bill, it appears that the Water Company is getting a raw deal?

 

[Psamathe]

Not defending Water Companies, but, if a Developer is given planning permission for a Development, presumably, the Developer bears the cost of installing the necessary sewerage on or under the development? But, if this additional housing's sewerage output means the local treatment facility is then overloaded, presumably the Water Company bears the coat of upgrading the treatment facility? (assuming the do upgrade it of course). Other than an increase in the number of customers to bill, it appears that the Water Company is getting a raw deal?

I think Planners should be looking at the reality of the situation and avoid making a bad situation worse.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, 18+ years with sewage on the streets and Planners are just approving more poo in the streets - which I regard as wrong. Other aspects are considered yet more sewage in streets seems an irrelevance to them.

 

[FishFright]

Not defending Water Companies, but, if a Developer is given planning permission for a Development, presumably, the Developer bears the cost of installing the necessary sewerage on or under the development? But, if this additional housing's sewerage output means the local treatment facility is then overloaded, presumably the Water Company bears the coat of upgrading the treatment facility? (assuming the do upgrade it of course). Other than an increase in the number of customers to bill, it appears that the Water Company is getting a raw deal?

A privatised water company investing in infrastructure ? Won't anyone think of the CEO's bonus ?

 

[BoldonLad]

A privatised water company investing in infrastructure ? Won't anyone think of the CEO's bonus ?

I did say I was not defending the Water Companies, but, as an individual, would you be best pleased if (say) the Planning Department and Developers too decisions, over which you had no control, and, resulted in YOU having to fund some "infrastructure" expenditure, with a "pay back" time which may be many years?

 

[briantrumpet]

Oh, The Daily Telegraph has definitely noticed, what with mad Allister Heath, of all people, getting twitchy. Maybe they've twigged that Restore voters aren't ever going to vote for Badenoch, and that their man, Farage, is faltering.

 

[FishFright]

I did say I was not defending the Water Companies, but, as an individual, would you be best pleased if (say) the Planning Department and Developers too decisions, over which you had no control, and, resulted in YOU having to fund some "infrastructure" expenditure, with a "pay back" time which may be many years?

It was only a comment on the how since privatisation they have failed to sufficiently invest in the infrastructure but have pumped billions out to the execs and share owners

 

[First Aspect]

Oh, The Daily Telegraph has definitely noticed, what with mad Allister Heath, of all people, getting twitchy. Maybe they've twigged that Restore voters aren't ever going to vote for Badenoch, and that their man, Farage, is faltering.

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[All uphill]

Oh, The Daily Telegraph has definitely noticed, what with mad Allister Heath, of all people, getting twitchy. Maybe they've twigged that Restore voters aren't ever going to vote for Badenoch, and that their man, Farage, is faltering.

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Nudging the Overton window to the right?

 

[briantrumpet]

Nudging the Overton window to the right?

Maybe Simons has realised that the far right doesn't just target Muslims.

 

[Pross]

Not defending Water Companies, but, if a Developer is given planning permission for a Development, presumably, the Developer bears the cost of installing the necessary sewerage on or under the development? But, if this additional housing's sewerage output means the local treatment facility is then overloaded, presumably the Water Company bears the coat of upgrading the treatment facility? (assuming the do upgrade it of course). Other than an increase in the number of customers to bill, it appears that the Water Company is getting a raw deal?

The developer would consult with the water company to determine if there’s sufficient capacity in the system and, if not, would need to pay to upgrade the system so not sure how this would happen. It definitely has nothing to do with the local highway authority, foul sewers aren’t in their remit.

 

[Pross]

I think Planners should be looking at the reality of the situation and avoid making a bad situation worse.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, 18+ years with sewage on the streets and Planners are just approving more poo in the streets - which I regard as wrong. Other aspects are considered yet more sewage in streets seems an irrelevance to them.

If it’s an ongoing issue they should at least be making the required upgrades a pre-occupation condition on any planning consent. The water company can’t refuse to upgrade their facilities to the required level (at the developer’s cost) though as far as I’m aware.

 

[Psamathe]

I think Planners should be looking at the reality of the situation and avoid making a bad situation worse.

Whatever the rights and wrongs, 18+ years with sewage on the streets and Planners are just approving more poo in the streets - which I regard as wrong. Other aspects are considered yet more sewage in streets seems an irrelevance to them.

If it’s an ongoing issue they should at least be making the required upgrades a pre-occupation condition on any planning consent. The water company can’t refuse to upgrade their facilities to the required level (at the developer’s cost) though as far as I’m aware.

In the village where I live and others in the area apparently it's a sewage system capacity problem and upgrades are expensive. So Anglian Water blame Highways and Highways blame Anglian Water so nobody does anything and it just goes on and on and on. Local politicians been involved for ages and they are unable to get any movement of resolving.

So in the meantime Planning just make everything worse by continuing to approve more housebuilding in the affected areas.

 

[Pross]

In the village where I live and others in the area apparently it's a sewage system capacity problem and upgrades are expensive. So Anglian Water blame Highways and Highways blame Anglian Water so nobody does anything and it just goes on and on and on. Local politicians been involved for ages and they are unable to get any movement of resolving.

So in the meantime Planning just make everything worse by continuing to approve more housebuilding in the affected areas.

I still don’t understand why they are blaming highways or are they saying it’s highways somehow making the upgrade works expensive (I still don’t see how as Anglian are a Statutory Undertaker). The upgrade works for a development are paid by the developer but obviously if it’s already over capacity they won’t be paying for the existing system to be brought up to scratch. The LPA should be chucking Conditions on any approvals to say the system has to be brought up to standard prior to occupation but they’ll also be under pressure to deliver their housing allocation.

 

[Psamathe]

I still don’t understand why they are blaming highways or are they saying it’s highways somehow making the upgrade works expensive (I still don’t see how as Anglian are a Statutory Undertaker). The upgrade works for a development are paid by the developer but obviously if it’s already over capacity they won’t be paying for the existing system to be brought up to scratch. The LPA should be chucking Conditions on any approvals to say the system has to be brought up to standard prior to occupation but they’ll also be under pressure to deliver their housing allocation.

My indirect understanding (from Parish Council having attended Parish Council meetings where it's discussed) is that Anglian Water are blaming Highways run-off going into their sewer system which the Parish Council describe as complete twaddle (given the few roads we have are just single track lanes).

LPA only add conditions after the developer has agreed to them. If developer doesn't agree they won't be added. Or if that goes wrong, developer just puts in a Planning Application to remove the condition and LPA wave it through.