Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[C R]

People have genuine concerns about the rate of immigration into our country and they don't feel they are being listened to by mainstream parties (who have actively encouraged mass immigration whilst saying they're against it). I don't condone mobs and I'm not about to march down to my nearest asylum hotel with a placard, but there's a lot of anger out there and the mainstream media and body politic would do well to try and understand why.

Edited to add, if another 400 working age men with time on their hands suddenly arrived in your village it might focus your mind.

I didn't know farage or yaxley-lennon posted in here.

 

[Shortfall]

I didn't know farage or yaxley-lennon posted in here.

Sad.

 

[All uphill]

Our first past the post electoral system is the enemy of listening and understanding, and this is reflected through the country and here on NCAP.

We are guided to taking sides as if watching a football match.

Who (on either side) is listening to the other side?

 

[Stevo 666]

Sad.

It's just lazy leftie/wokey bollox to dismiss any concerns about immigration as racist. The above is a great example.

 

[Pblakeney]

Our first past the post electoral system is the enemy of listening and understanding, and this is reflected through the country and here on NCAP.

We are guided to taking sides as if watching a football match.

Who (on either side) is listening to the other side?

I am quite happy to listen to all sides, particularly so if practical solutions are presented for the problems of today.
I have zero time for point scoring or trolls.

 

[Xipe Totec]

It's just lazy leftie/wokey bollox to dismiss any concerns about immigration as racist. The above is a great example.

Perhaps.

But it would probably help if any of the non-racist advocates of burning refugees to death, or deporting 600,000 'illegalls', or torching absolutely everybody's human rights et cetera - would explain the equality & tolerance-based ideologies which underpin these solutions.

 

[All uphill]

I am quite happy to listen to all sides, particularly so if practical solutions are presented for the problems of today.
I have zero time for point scoring or trolls.

Agreed.

Here's a couple of suggestions from someone who volunteers with refugees, me:

Speed up the asylum process. There are people with useful skills who should be out of the hotels, working and paying tax.
Equally there are people who need to be returned.
There are also people who need our support and acceptance.

Build more houses for the benefit of the whole population.

Campaign to get rid of first past the post.

 

[Pblakeney]

Agreed.

Here's a couple of suggestions from someone who volunteers with refugees, me:

Speed up the asylum process. There are people with useful skills who should be out of the hotels, working and paying tax.
Equally there are people who need to be returned.
There are also people who need our support and acceptance.

Build more houses for the benefit of the whole population.

Campaign to get rid of first past the post.

A “like” isn’t enough. Have a round of applause. 👏 👏👏

 

[All uphill]

A “like” isn’t enough. Have a round of applause. 👏 👏👏

Thanks!

I have met so many people who want to contribute to our society (and my pension).

And we think it's a good idea to prevent that and put them in hotels for months on end?

At the same time that we have a neglected native population.

I deplore what is happening but it's hardly a surprise.

 

[secretsqirrel]

People have genuine concerns about the rate of immigration into our country and they don't feel they are being listened to by mainstream parties (who have actively encouraged mass immigration whilst saying they're against it). I don't condone mobs and I'm not about to march down to my nearest asylum hotel with a placard, but there's a lot of anger out there and the mainstream media and body politic would do well to try and understand why.

Edited to add, if another 400 working age men with time on their hands suddenly arrived in your village it might focus your mind.

Just tell them to piss off and take their union jacks with them.

 

[Stevo 666]

Perhaps.

But it would probably help if any of the non-racist advocates of burning refugees to death, or deporting 600,000 'illegalls', or torching absolutely everybody's human rights et cetera - would explain the equality & tolerance-based ideologies which underpin these solutions.

You'd need to ask someone who advocates those things I guess.

 

[Stevo 666]

Just tell them to piss off and take their union jacks with them.

Ironically it is this sort of high handed dismissal of anyone who has such concerns that will make it pretty likely that one Nigel Farage will be the occupant of Number 10 Downing Street by 2029 (I say 'by' and not 'in' because the way Labour are going they won't last that long). We saw a similar attitude from quite a few remainers in the run up to the Brexit referendum and look how that ended.

 

[Psamathe]

People have genuine concerns about the rate of immigration into our country and they don't feel they are being listened to by mainstream parties (who have actively encouraged mass immigration whilst saying they're against it). I don't condone mobs and I'm not about to march down to my nearest asylum hotel with a placard, but there's a lot of anger out there and the mainstream media and body politic would do well to try and understand why.

Edited to add, if another 400 working age men with time on their hands suddenly arrived in your village it might focus your mind.

If it's a genuine concern they want addressed then they need to focus on the issue which is legal immigration not refugee asylum seekers. Yet they focus on the least significant group in terms of overall numbers.

Year to June 2025 there were 50,000 irregular arrivals the majority will be claiming asylum but not all of whom will end-up having their claims accepted. In 2024 net migration was 431,000 yet those shouting at hotels seem very obsessed with one of the smallest groups affecting what they claim as their concern.

If they are genuinely concerned about immigration then why get so vocal now when the immigration numbers to the UK are already dropping significantly as Labour's changes take effect (ie numbers have already significantly decreased).

When interviewed about why they are shouting at hotels those protesting seem to focus on that they don't know who these people are. I don't know who a large %age of the others living in my village are so should that be a concern to me?

nb Epping has a population of 11,000'ish and the Bell hotel is housing 138 asylum seekers - very different from your suggestion of 400 asylum seekers arriving in village where I live with a population of 400 - daft examples just highlight the nature of those objecting.

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

People have genuine concerns about the rate of immigration into our country and they don't feel they are being listened to by mainstream parties (who have actively encouraged mass immigration whilst saying they're against it). I don't condone mobs and I'm not about to march down to my nearest asylum hotel with a placard, but there's a lot of anger out there and the mainstream media and body politic would do well to try and understand why.

Edited to add, if another 400 working age men with time on their hands suddenly arrived in your village it might focus your mind.

Genuine question, why do they? My issue is this, we are really talking about asylum seekers, not immigration overall. These alleged protesters are turning up at premises housing Asylum Seekers, they aren't turning up at airports telling Americans, Australians, Europeans who are coming here to 'go home'. Therefore, they don't have a problem with immigration, they have a problem with Asylum Seekers.

We had around 800,000 people coming to the UK last year, mainly for work/study there are currently only around 32,000 Asylum Seekers being housed here, so around 4%. This number hardly impacts on us at all. They can't work so they are taking no jobs, they can't get social housing so they aren't taking up LA housing stock. So I ask the question, what is the issue with Asylum Seekers? Why are 100 white working class men turning up in towns and telling a group of non white people to 'go home'?

Dressing this up as people having 'legitimate concerns' around immigration makes no sense. If you had legitimate concerns, make it harder for educated wealthy people to get work visas, push to upskill UK citizens to get better jobs, lobby local authorities to build more houses, argue for higher taxes and a greater spend on public services. Don't turn up at a hotel with a flag and shout in an Eritrean guys face to go home, that just makes you look like a racist.

I am not questioning you personally SF, just the reasoning people give, it doesn't add up IMO.

 

[Xipe Totec]

People have genuine concerns about the rate of immigration into our country and they don't feel they are being listened to by mainstream parties (who have actively encouraged mass immigration whilst saying they're against it). I don't condone mobs and I'm not about to march down to my nearest asylum hotel with a placard, but there's a lot of anger out there and the mainstream media and body politic would do well to try and understand why.

Edited to add, if another 400 working age men with time on their hands suddenly arrived in your village it might focus your mind.