Reform, and the death of the Tory Party

[Stevo 666]

I wonder/guess if other aspects could overtake in public priorities. Cost of living food inflation running at 3.8% at the moment (R4 this morning) which is going to be disproportionately impacting Labout votes (and might push more towards the Fruit & Nut Party).

Wasn't long ago that NHS Waiting Lists were a crucial factor. And NHS might prove an Achilles Heel for Farangé given his past policy of moving to an insurance based system (and getting is current policy is predictably quite impossible). And giving a platform for RFK based vaccine deniers at Party Conferences.

All it takes is a couple of months bad figures that the press notice.

I agree that as things stand and all current prospects Starmer is going to lose big time; but in 2 years if we are still at "as things stand and all current prospects" Starmer might be facing leadership challenges.

It's entirely possible that things could change over 3 years is a long time I'm politics, although you never know whether something might shorten the timeline to the next GE.

Agree, a leadership challenge is certainly possible before the ext GE.

 

[spen666]

Whatever. It's pointless engaging with that level of argument.

I've said what I think and it can stand or fall with forumers other than yourself.

Sorry that calling out your shifting positions is upsetting you.


You were the one telling us Rayners private thoughts until you were called out over it & then tried to pretend it was only your assumption.





If you don't makeup things, you won't get called out for it.


It doesn't really matter though ad Rayner is out of the government now because of her behaviour.

No amount of your revealing of her private thoughts or making up things will reverse ladt weeks events

 

[Psamathe]

Based on opinion polls there seems to be no shortage of Reform supporters - I guess there may be an element of people hesitating when they get to the ballot box, but my guess is that the political landscape has shifted enough for that not to be big problem for them. That's assuming they don't screw up in the meantime.

Listening to "The News Agents" podcast this morning (Emily Maitlis, Jon Sopel and Lewis Goodall) and they were saying how the Reform Party Conference was a bit of a disaster for Reform. Might have been big (though numbers attending are small compared to the electorate for any Party Conference) and flashy, there were a fair number of stupid, daft & alienating aspects eg RFK's vaccine denier calling Royal Family cancers linked to vaccination, eg Saint Lucy and her "I'm Starmer's political prisoner" (despite her pleading guilty to stirring up racial hatred), eg their stance of Climate Change which apparently is still regarded as important to 60+% of the population. Too much madness for a serious player although BBC didn't like highlighting those aspects.

 

[briantrumpet]

Listening to "The News Agents" podcast this morning (Emily Maitlis, Jon Sopel and Lewis Goodall) and they were saying how the Reform Party Conference was a bit of a disaster for Reform. Might have been big (though numbers attending are small compared to the electorate for any Party Conference) and flashy, there were a fair number of stupid, daft & alienating aspects eg RFK's vaccine denier calling Royal Family cancers linked to vaccination, eg Saint Lucy and her "I'm Starmer's political prisoner" (despite her pleading guilty to stirring up racial hatred), eg their stance of Climate Change which apparently is still regarded as important to 60+% of the population. Too much madness for a serious player although BBC didn't like highlighting those aspects.

BBC's Chris Mason "It's exciting, isn't it!" (or words to that effect).

 

[midlandsgrimpeur]

Listening to "The News Agents" podcast this morning (Emily Maitlis, Jon Sopel and Lewis Goodall) and they were saying how the Reform Party Conference was a bit of a disaster for Reform. Might have been big (though numbers attending are small compared to the electorate for any Party Conference) and flashy, there were a fair number of stupid, daft & alienating aspects eg RFK's vaccine denier calling Royal Family cancers linked to vaccination, eg Saint Lucy and her "I'm Starmer's political prisoner" (despite her pleading guilty to stirring up racial hatred), eg their stance of Climate Change which apparently is still regarded as important to 60+% of the population. Too much madness for a serious player although BBC didn't like highlighting those aspects.

I listened to this as well. At the moment I think a lot of political commentary (and non Reformers amongst us) is relying on the hope that (as Lewis Goodall also said) us Brits are not the same as the MAGA crowd and the batshit conspiracy stuff does not play well with us as it does with many Trump voters. By extension this should put a lot of people off when it actually comes to voting Reform.

I used to feel this way but I am increasingly less convinced. I think as with a lot of Trump voters, many people are 'charmed' by the Farage effect and would vote Reform on the basis of him as leader, regardless of the many unsavoury aspects of the party.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Sorry that calling out your shifting positions is upsetting you.


You were the one telling us Rayners private thoughts until you were called out over it & then tried to pretend it was only your assumption.





If you don't makeup things, you won't get called out for it.


It doesn't really matter though ad Rayner is out of the government now because of her behaviour.

No amount of your revealing of her private thoughts or making up things will reverse ladt weeks events

As I said; not engaging.

 

[matticus]

Listening to "The News Agents" podcast this morning (Emily Maitlis, Jon Sopel and Lewis Goodall) and they were saying how the Reform Party Conference was a bit of a disaster for Reform. Might have been big (though numbers attending are small compared to the electorate for any Party Conference) and flashy, there were a fair number of stupid, daft & alienating aspects eg RFK's vaccine denier calling Royal Family cancers linked to vaccination, eg Saint Lucy and her "I'm Starmer's political prisoner" (despite her pleading guilty to stirring up racial hatred), eg their stance of Climate Change which apparently is still regarded as important to 60+% of the population. Too much madness for a serious player although BBC didn't like highlighting those aspects.

Yup.
And the BBC don't want to highlight those things, as it deflates their Conflict!! story arc. It's not very interesting covering Farage as a slightly mad priviliged old fool, whom most British voters see straight through.

 

[Pross]

Based on opinion polls there seems to be no shortage of Reform supporters - I guess there may be an element of people hesitating when they get to the ballot box, but my guess is that the political landscape has shifted enough for that not to be big problem for them. That's assuming they don't screw up in the meantime.

It was the same with UKIP back in the mid 2010s though during the coalition time, they took local council seats but come the GE they took one seat. You could argue that they achieved their aim though as they panicked the Tories into the EU referendum and the lurch to the right wing loons gaining power. Reform seem to be doing the same thing i.e. dictating the direction of travel of UK politics without any serious representation in parliament. It's quite a trick to be fair to them.

 

[CXRAndy]

If you have ever been summoned by HMRC (no idea how many are), given a date and time and called into their offices (I had to drive all the way to Wiltshire), told to bring all your paperwork ... not fun and when you are found to be right no travel expenses, nothing. You avoid it.

I've been investigated by the revenue many moons ago

I was self employed at the time. A lovely relative took up my communication with the revenue. HMRC wanted to visit my home for interview. We told them no, then they wanted to come to my premises again we told them no. We did all the investigation via letter. After 9 months of letters passing back and forth, a meeting was arranged to which I did not attend.

The whole investigation was to do with fuel allowance. I was judged to be claiming too much for said period of investigation. I had to pay them £300 extra in tax. Here's the kicker, because the revenue had opened the year for investigation my relative went through all the accounts as part of making replies. There had been an error in my accounts and I had overpaid my tax by over £1k. A week later I received a cheque from the revenue

 

[CXRAndy]

If you have ever been summoned by HMRC (no idea how many are), given a date and time and called into their offices (I had to drive all the way to Wiltshire), told to bring all your paperwork ... not fun and when you are found to be right no travel expenses, nothing. You avoid it.

I've been investigated by the revenue many moons ago

I was self employed at the time. A lovely relative took up my communication with the revenue. HMRC wanted to visit my home for interview. We told them no, then they wanted to come to my premises again we told them no. We did all the investigation via letter. After 9 months of letters passing back and forth, a meeting was arranged to which I did not attend.

The whole investigation was to do with fuel allowance. I was judged to be claiming too much for said period of investigation. I had to pay them £300 extra in tax. Here's the kicker, because the revenue had opened the year for investigation my relative went through all the accounts as part of making replies. There had been an error in my accounts and I had overpaid my tax by over £1k. A week later I received a cheque from the revenue

 

[Ian H]

It's because she's working class. Same reason that Greg Wallace needs to play with himself all the time.

You should all be more understanding and less prejudiced.

Greg Wallace needs to play with himself because he's working class?

 

[spen666]

As I said; not engaging.

Nice of you to engage again to tell us you are not going to engage.

words and actions

 

[First Aspect]

Greg Wallace needs to play with himself because he's working class?

Perhaps it was his autism. Or a combination. It was hard to follow. But they are both working class, and that's an excuse.

 

[Bromptonaut]

Nice of you to engage again to tell us you are not going to engage.

words and actions

In case you needed reminding.

 

[spen666]

In case you needed reminding.

Still engaging to tell us you are not engaging?