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icowden

Squire
Some Conservative MPs are understood to have confronted the home secretary directly over the delay in launching the Afghan Citizens Resettlement Scheme (ACRS), which was announced with great fanfare in August as the Taliban seized control in Kabul. "

And in that article I linked to - that is one of the reasons that Afghans try to make their way to the UK as opposed to France. Because we are their friends and promised we would look after them. Bit of a shock having got all this way to find out we were lying.
 


I suspect he does not understand what the act actually does.

Although I have seen suggestions that the UK could join Belarus as the only European country to reject the European Convention on Human Rights.
 

mudsticks

Squire
And in that article I linked to - that is one of the reasons that Afghans try to make their way to the UK as opposed to France. Because we are their friends and promised we would look after them. Bit of a shock having got all this way to find out we were lying.

Yes, our supposed 'reputation' for honouring our word, being open to helping others, and being an outward looking, modern nation is sliding down the toilet.

Why would anyone choose to trust us, or extend a hand of friendship to us, in future, if we needed it??


Very sad, but do we give up??

Thankfully , not everyone here is a fully paid up member of the Nasty Not to be Trusted Party...

I think the rest of the world knows that, to an extent.

Hope so anyway .
 
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Deleted member 49

Guest
Another accidental MP.

A Muppet selected in haste for a seat that was not considered winnable
Massive Brexit leave vote surprise,suprise.The longstanding Labour MP Gordon Marsden had to back remain....with a little bit of homophobia thrown in for good measure by Benton.
All in all a fecking w@nker....
 

mudsticks

Squire
I'm not sure even he knows what he's actually there for....bit off topic but here he is playing to a packed house 🙄
He's in one of the most deprived wards in the country and this is what motivates him ffs.

View: https://twitter.com/BBCPolitics/status/1463877331752214529?t=oLmOfbwFe10p4ta-Fil83w&s=19


Oh dear that's a bit of a sad image, come on guys..
This man needs some support.

No, it's ok I don't feel sorry for him really.

But what is he actually doing to improve outcomes for kids from deprived areas.
(of any gender or ethnicity )

Let me guess...Supporting further austerity measures, and voting to removing the £20 uplift in UC. ??
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
It gets used as a phrase round our way, fairly frequently too, when people are trying to shift the argument onto different territory, or set up ludicrous projected scenarios.

People who like to discuss, and debate, and dissect are generally wise to all this stuff.

It's just another fairly well known phrase in what is a rich store of possibilities given us by the English language..

Hell I think I've even heard my German farm help use it..

I'm from Huddersfield though so maybe it was something in our mother's milk??

Now residing in Devon i can spend ample time talk about the many and various materials shifting devices available to me.

Currently I'm using a square ended long handled shovel to clear shoot outta the chicken howse 👍🏼

Give over, the only straw men around your way frighten the crows.
 
Might aswell get the facts straight if we're thinking these people are "living the dream" If a person seeking asylum is held in temp accommodation (hotel) they receive an £8 per week allowance.
If they are housed in the community, they receive £39.63 on a payment card.
Feck whether they get pizza or not...when does a column in a newspaper not become news ? But it's not the point I guess is it ?
I was living on way less a week when i was starting my business, buying fresh ingredients,(for example especially alone a bag off patatos last longer than one day) not using a car or bus but a cycle etc. made it all do-able. And yes it was more comfortable when i got to the point where i had more income at my disposal. But that's besides the point, £8 isn't much but most likely more they would get in the country their fleeing from.
A column is different from a news article, a column allows more creativity from the writer and is in a newspaper usually based on a news event but also contains personals views and such. (an important difference)
Isn't that rather missing the point? The story that I published wasn't about some Andy Capp, dole scrounger from Afghanistan. This guy was training to be a Paediatrician. We need those. Process his sodding asylum claim and then he can work, and pay tax, and improve life for himself and for other people. He won't need £35 quid a week and social housing.
Let's stop treating these people as if they are scum. They have qualifications, training, skills. What they don't have is a safe place to live and use those skills. Sure, if they start running drugs or whatever send 'em back. But those people are a very very very small minority. The majority just want somewhere safe to work and live. They will work incredibly hard to ensure that their families and community are supported.

People like Priti Patel just won't let them because they came without paperwork.
While i agree with you that the current system doesn't really work, as they are supposed to stay put for years then to be told they need to work and the public picture to be painted there all as benefits scoursers, a better system would be where they get an temporaly status within 6 months and then have the abilty to work/learn whatever however the flip side is also true, gay asylum seekers don't feel safe in gay camps because not-gays have found out they make a better change of getting asylum when claiming they are gay, many terrorist attacks over the past years have been committed by asylum seekers etc. it's with all the numbers we have silly to suggest all those asylum seekers or Paediatricians, dentist and nurses, it simply isn't true. All highly qualified are cherry picked by countries as the Us, Turkey and Canada.(in case of Syria, 'Iraq/middle east, most likely also other countries but from Syria/Iraq is well documented.)
That off course does'nt say all asylum seekers are like that, it would still be a minority but there are things that need attention, like for example cultural differences, being gay, the clothing western women wear etc. are things they are most likely not used to and needs explanation because there own response would generally be disapproval.(which is fine in a free country as long as they leave them alone )


I can’t imagine trying to get by on £5 a day to provide me with three meals a day, sanitation and clothing. It’s no wonder they need extra support from charities.
planning, not buying expensive brands etc. gets you an long way. It's the throwaway/ready meal society that makes things expensive.
 

glasgowcyclist

Über Member
many terrorist attacks over the past years have been committed by asylum seekers

Are you talking about the UK or world-wide? Either way that needs to be backed up with evidence to show the number committed by asylum seekers compared to others.

planning, not buying expensive brands etc. gets you an long way. It's the throwaway/ready meal society that makes things expensive.

When you are ‘housed’ in a basic hotel room with no cooking facilities, there isn’t much choice.
 
I was living on way less a week when i was starting my business, buying fresh ingredients,(for example especially alone a bag off patatos last longer than one day) not using a car or bus but a cycle etc. made it all do-able. And yes it was more comfortable when i got to the point where i had more income at my disposal. But that's besides the point, £8 isn't much but most likely more they would get in the country their fleeing from.
A column is different from a news article, a column allows more creativity from the writer and is in a newspaper usually based on a news event but also contains personals views and such. (an important difference)

They're here not there; the only question is what they can buy for £8 here

While i agree with you that the current system doesn't really work, as they are supposed to stay put for years then to be told they need to work and the public picture to be painted there all as benefits scoursers, a better system would be where they get an temporaly status within 6 months and then have the abilty to work/learn whatever however the flip side is also true, gay asylum seekers don't feel safe in gay camps because not-gays have found out they make a better change of getting asylum when claiming they are gay, many terrorist attacks over the past years have been committed by asylum seekers etc. it's with all the numbers we have silly to suggest all those asylum seekers or Paediatricians, dentist and nurses, it simply isn't true. All highly qualified are cherry picked by countries as the Us, Turkey and Canada.(in case of Syria, 'Iraq/middle east, most likely also other countries but from Syria/Iraq is well documented.)

I know you're not first language English but I'm struggling with the word soup here. Your posts would be easier to read if you used short sentences or bullet points (and the spell checker.

Claims should be processed much more quickly. Do they triage for those that are evidently admissible (or look well dodgy)? I agree they should be permitted to work (for proper wages) if they can; the country is desperate for all sorts of trades and professions.

What is your point about 'gay' camps? Is there evidence of such things (I assume you mean in the UK)? There's no doubt that being on the LGBQT spectrum will get you in a lot of trouble or very dead indeed in any number of countries. If straight people are becoming 'fake gays' to game the system (again is there evidence?) then one hoped home office decision makers can tease out the difference.

You've already been asked to evidence your assertion that Asylum Seekers have committed 'many' terrorist attacks. As far as I recall while a few UK examples might have been refugees home grown offenders are most common. A lot, like the guys who killed Drummer Rigby, were converts.

That off course does'nt say all asylum seekers are like that, it would still be a minority but there are things that need attention, like for example cultural differences, being gay, the clothing western women wear etc. are things they are most likely not used to and needs explanation because there own response would generally be disapproval.(which is fine in a free country as long as they leave them alone )


planning, not buying expensive brands etc. gets you an long way. It's the throwaway/ready meal society that makes things expensive.

Once accepted as refugees they get help with all that adaptation stuff.
 

Cirrus

Active Member
From the meeting Ms Patel was disinvited from... The French interior minister believes the UK needs to do their part and become less economically viable for migrants, which surprises me as from the comments here I didn’t think we were.....


"They agreed that Frontex, the European border agency, would send a plane to help combat migrant trafficking in the Channel from Wednesday.
Speaking at the start of the meeting, Mr Darmanin said there had been too many deaths and "we cannot accept that any more people die".
But he also said the UK had to assume responsibility by making itself less economically attractive for illegal migrants"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59454135
 

Unkraut

Master of the Inane Comment
Location
Germany
From the meeting Ms Patel was disinvited from...
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I heard this on the news tonight but wasn't clear whether the EU has disinvited the UK or the UK had refused to turn up.

Like or not, the British are going to have rely on Macron's good will if this kind of tragedy is to be prevent from occurring again. To date Johnson's govt doesn't seem to have made a very good job of getting this.
 

Rusty Nails

Country Member
Thank you for clearing that up for me. I heard this on the news tonight but wasn't clear whether the EU has disinvited the UK or the UK had refused to turn up.

Like or not, the British are going to have rely on Macron's good will if this kind of tragedy is to be prevent from occurring again. To date Johnson's govt doesn't seem to have made a very good job of getting this.
If we are going to have to rely on Macron's good will then we, and more importantly the people who are struggling to cross the channel, are stuffed.

He and Johnson are cut from different cloth, but are both self-serving ar*eholes who are trying to look strong to their electorates by pointing out the faults of the old adversary on the other side of the channel.

However, I have confidence in the EU being able to see through their crap and broker some deal that helps the situation.
 

Pale Rider

Veteran
From the meeting Ms Patel was disinvited from... The French interior minister believes the UK needs to do their part and become less economically viable for migrants, which surprises me as from the comments here I didn’t think we were.....


"They agreed that Frontex, the European border agency, would send a plane to help combat migrant trafficking in the Channel from Wednesday.
Speaking at the start of the meeting, Mr Darmanin said there had been too many deaths and "we cannot accept that any more people die".
But he also said the UK had to assume responsibility by making itself less economically attractive for illegal migrants"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-59454135

Moral of the story is don't believe all the garbage you read on here.

Of course the UK is economically attractive, that's why the economic migrants cross several borders and risk their lives crossing the channel to get here.

Asylum seeking has got bugger all to do with it.
 
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