Spin Time

[Psamathe]

I’m still amazed by the amount of people, including some on here, that think jobs and rules protecting the environment/ fighting climate change is a bad thing that must be stopped.

Part of me wonders if people are prepared to vote Reform in as Councillors because in that role they can't really impact the Climate Change Policies. Climate Change policies might have a bigger impact on voting decisions where the candidate will have power of effect actions. But then I wonder if many are thinking that deeply about policies, powers, impacts, etc.

Ian

 

[CXRAndy]

Until this situation is grappled, then people will vote Reform


View: https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1918553504039284798?t=R3YJwoLfQeFWH_EELZrK4A&s=19

 

[Pblakeney]

Part of me wonders if people are prepared to vote Reform in as Councillors because in that role they can't really impact the Climate Change Policies. Climate Change policies might have a bigger impact on voting decisions where the candidate will have power of effect actions. But then I wonder if many are thinking that deeply about policies, powers, impacts, etc.

Ian

My personal opinion is that they don't want to change their lifestyle, or pay more to maintain it.
That and boats. End of.

 

[Stevo 666]

I'm increasingly thinking that the Conservative Party is going to disappear within the next twelve months. I think the only two secnarios are a formal merger with Reform, or they just wither into irrelevance.

Labour really has a choice: find its soul and present a positive argument as a counterpoint to Reform populism, or carry on recruiting for Reform by trying to ape its policies. If it does the latter, it's going to lose the next election.

Lib Dems - well, they ought to be filling the void for people like me, but I'm just not sure that they've got enough organisation or heft to step up to the task.

Bleak.

If Labour stay the on the same course same it looks like they'll lose the next election, judging by yesterday's results. Keep on doubling down, Keir....

In the end I reckon there will be two big issues that will swing it: the economy and immigration. If they don't deliver growth then that in itself will count against them and also means less tax revenue to do what they want to do. Unfortunately for them, putting lefties in charge of encouraging increased economic growth is a bit like putting cats in charge of increasing the bird and mouse population 🙂

And we can already see on immigration they are not doing anything effective to tackle the problem. There's probably some tension between keeping the traditional Labour voters and the 'progressives' happy at the same time on this as well, so it looks like they're just going through the motions. The issue has already fuelled a lot of the rise of Reform.

Also potentially the net zero issue could become bigger if Millipede is allowed to continue his crusade unchecked.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Also potentially the net zero issue could become bigger if Millipede is allowed to continue his crusade unchecked.

What do you mean by the net zero ‘issue’?

 

[Beebo]

Newsflash.
I just had an ex Tory councillor knock on my door. He lost yesterday in a neighbouring ward but is already out today doing his bit. As we didn’t vote this time, my ward votes next round of elections.

I had a pleasant conversation with him and he was quite upbeat. He think Reform will crash the Kent County Council in the next 18 months.

Quite worrying really, that so many inexperienced people will now be in charge of the sweet shop. Farage can’t keep them all together.

 

[Stevo 666]

What do you mean by the net zero ‘issue’?

People are concerned at the cost to themselves and the changes being imposed on them.

 

[secretsqirrel]

Newsflash.
I just had an ex Tory councillor knock on my door. He lost yesterday in a neighbouring ward but is already out today doing his bit. As we didn’t vote this time, my ward votes next round of elections.

I had a pleasant conversation with him and he was quite upbeat. He think Reform will crash the Kent County Council in the next 18 months.

Quite worrying really, that so many inexperienced people will now be in charge of the sweet shop. Farage can’t keep them all together.

As Reform get more exposed, opportunities will arise to take them down. They haven’t earned any respect so don’t give them any. If you scratch the surface beyond Farage, I’m not sure you’ll find anything of substance other than a bunch of distasteful characters

 

[monkers]

Kent County Council are one of those with some serious financial difficulties. Reform will be tested by this. Part of their manifesto is giving tax cuts. Unless they have a cunning plan, they'll be up against it soon.

https://news.kent.gov.uk/articles/t...c-leader-tells-councillors-as-budget-approved

 

[secretsqirrel]

People are concerned at the cost to themselves and the changes being imposed on them.

Ah yes, I agree concerns are not being addressed properly. Labour and the Tories before them have not been addressing concerns.

 

[CXRAndy]

What do you mean by the net zero ‘issue’?

That UK is creating 1% of emissions worldwide and is expected to lead the way with the British public expected to bear the brunt of the costs.

I'm not in disagreement with reducing emissions, it the path to the end result which is problematic

The average Brit knows this and is not happy

 

[briantrumpet]

As Reform get more exposed, opportunities will arise to take them down. They haven’t earned any respect so don’t give them any. If you scratch the surface beyond Farage, I’m not sure you’ll find anything of substance other than a bunch of distasteful characters

I guess that Labour might be keeping their fingers crossed, given that the GE is still long enough away for some conspicuous crash & burn from Reform. And on past record, there should be a steady flow of stories about people with 'interesting' views and histories.

That said, Labour would be wise neither just to keep fingers crossed, nor in aping Reform lock, stock and barrel. If they don't remember why people gave them such a large majority, they deserve to sink.

 

[briantrumpet]

Ah yes, I agree concerns are not being addressed properly. Labour and the Tories before them have not been addressing concerns.

'Legitimate concerns', shurely?

 

[Psamathe]

In the end I reckon there will be two big issues that will swing it: the economy and immigration

I expect NHS Waiting lists , GP appointments and maybe dentists to be another factor. Numbers are going in improving direction but wether fast enough and if maintainable I've no idea.

I think most of the electorate couldn't care less about "Growth" as it's in many ways one step away from what they want. Growth might be needed to provide money to get NHS waiting lists down but electorate don't care how waiting times reduce, just that the reduce. But a lot of any growth Labour might achieve might be swallowed up by things that don't make life better for those with votes eg increased military spending.

Other issues will give other Parties plenty to campaign on eg are our rivers still open sewers despite massive water bill increases.

Ian

 

[icowden]

Until this situation is grappled, then people will vote Reform

But how does Nigel know these things? He doesn't live in their streets either. He lives in a large house in the countryside in the village of Downe and has a second home by the sea in Greatstone. He has no more knowledge of these people than the journalist asking the question. He's rarely ever seen in Clacton as he's too busy greasing Trump's anus.

What a patronising sexist pig.