Starmer's vision quest

[Deleted member 49]

So let's have a thought experiment, Adam (and this is not a trap). If you think Blair believed his own warnings then his decision has some sort of basis in morality.

But you don't. So what do you think we're his motivations to participate? Bear in mind that UK contribution was only 5%, and had no bearing on US capability or, I suspect, willingness to act.

A message from God ? Unrequited love ?

What do you want me to say ? Campbell,Blair,Bush used lies to try and sell the Iraq war.They knew it was lies and went ahead anyway.
Feck even your wet dream Starmer has said it was a illegal war....odd one that isn't it,welcomes the likes of Blair,Mandleson in the party and expelles others with left wing views.

 

[multitool]

What do you want me to say ?

I want your opinion on why they did it, not what they did.

And you can lay off the childish behaviour too, you nonce.

 

[BoldonLad]

There is a difference. Blair was either a moron or simply made an ill judged pact when he got support for Kosovo. .

Putin is difderent, driven by both power and hatred.

For any of the unfortunates killed or maimed as a result of their decisions, does that distinction make them any less dead or maimed?

 

[Deleted member 49]

I want your opinion on why they did it, not what they did.

And you can lay off the childish behaviour too, you nonce.

I think he'd have done whatever George W said...promise of matching flying jackets ?
Blair was desperate to go to war and didn’t let facts stand in his way. So desperate he lied again and again.As I'm sure you'll remember a million marched against this and he chose to ignore them.

 

[Deleted member 28]

you nonce.

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[bobzmyunkle]

you nonce

He's gonna end up arguing with the rough lads again. Never ends well.

 

[Rusty Nails]

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He's gonna end up arguing with the rough lads again. Never ends well.

I'll have you know he's a mastur debater.

 

[multitool]

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Yeah, I know. It's normally your territory. But seeing as how you haven't been here I thought I'd have to fill your space as forum hard man.

Anyway. How are you? Hard day on the pole?

 

[multitool]

I'll have you know he's a mastur debater.

Even that is unoriginal and dreary.

How very you.

 

[icowden]

I want your opinion on why they did it, not what they did.

I think Bush wanted it as he anticipated being seen as a great leader, liberating the people of Iraq from their dictator. I suspect that his advisors and military intelligence wanted it as they wanted a stable country in the middle East to use as a base of operations and to control Iraqi oil. I suspect Blair bought into that strategic pipe dream rather than thinking Bush was a genius.

 

[multitool]

I think he'd have done whatever George W said...promise of matching flying jackets ?
Blair was desperate to go to war and didn’t let facts stand in his way. So desperate he lied again and again.As I'm sure you'll remember a million marched against this and he chose to ignore them.

Yes, I was one of them.

But you still haven't answered the question.

 

[multitool]

I think Bush wanted it as he anticipated being seen as a great leader, liberating the people of Iraq from their dictator. I suspect that his advisors and military intelligence wanted it as they wanted a stable country in the middle East to use as a base of operations and to control Iraqi oil. I suspect Blair bought into that strategic pipe dream rather than thinking Bush was a genius.

This seems the most likely to me. He certainly wanted to have a legacy. I do wonder about the oil aspect. IIRC Saddam had just signed oil contracts with France and Russia, and said he was going to accept currency other than dollars...which would have pissed off the Yanks.

 

[Rusty Nails]

Even that is unoriginal and dreary.

How very you.

So you've been described as such before?

What a surprise.

 

[multitool]

So you've been described as such before?

What a surprise.

Astounding levels of wit.

Have you considered stand up?

 

[multitool]

Actual photo of Shep telling Rusty Brains about the pole he climbed.