newfhouse
pleb
“Not frightening the media barons is all that matters.” Very cogent.
Starmer's vision quest
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“Not frightening the media barons is all that matters.” Very cogent.
theclaud
Reading around the chip
I guess I must have missed the episode where 'cogent' underwent a reversal of meaning.
Anyway, here's a good piece from Nesrine Malik which I think articulates pretty well why all normal people hate these freaks.
multitool
Guest
You pretending to be normal now, claudine?
"Corpspeak has taken over not because politicians are hiding something, but because they have nothing to say."
There's a truth in here, but it isnt quite what Malik is pretending it is, and that is that they can't say what certain people want them to say because it would be a lie that would be exposed in short order.
The truth is the public consistently over-estimate the power of government to shape anything in any sort of determined way, and that includes the economy. They can tinker at the edges, but for every positive thing they aim to do there will be negative consequences for someone, often unforeseen. Nothing that they choose is cost-free.
Labour will take on a country in a dire situation, with institutions that are crumbling, a demographic timebomb set to explode and an economy in a precarious state.
Nobody wants to hear this though, do they.
D
Deleted member 49
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Yet Starmer gets himself voted leader on a pack of lies and that's ok...then tells many it's members if you don't like it you can feck off ?
Tinkering at the edges is the best were going to get...no vision and nothing progressive about this Labour party,not even trying.
I think exactly the opposite...I'm sick to death of hearing it.Change it,offer some alternatives.
newfhouse
pleb
Exactly this. Imaginative and radical change is the only way out of the dire situation for ordinary folk. Anything else will produce more of the same decline, even without the looming climate disaster.
D
Deleted member 49
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/11/labour-opposition-power-keir-starmer-party
"Cold, cynical and paranoid: if this is Labour in opposition, what will it look like in power"?
New Labour maybe 🙄
You've gotta laugh at the Guardian sometimes,smeared and undermined the last Labour leadership year after year,feck have they only just realised?
"Cold, cynical and paranoid: if this is Labour in opposition, what will it look like in power"?
New Labour maybe 🙄
You've gotta laugh at the Guardian sometimes,smeared and undermined the last Labour leadership year after year,feck have they only just realised?
theclaud
Reading around the chip
You pretending to be normal now, claudine?
Let's just say I'm working on it
You keep saying this, so I'll have to assume you mean it, but I don't buy it. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that score - persuading people that we can't really change things is, after all, the entire raison d'être of Starmer's Labour. Government has been very determinedly shaping things for as long as I can remember - unfortunately very little of this shaping has been in the interests of ordinary people.
It was literally in power for 13 of the last 26 years.
multitool
Guest
You pretending to be normal now, claudine?
"Corpspeak has taken over not because politicians are hiding something, but because they have nothing to say."
There's a truth in here, but it isnt quite what Malik is pretending it is, and that is that they can't say what certain people want them to say because it would be a lie that would be exposed in short order.
The truth is the public consistently over-estimate the power of government to shape anything in any sort of determined way, and that includes the economy. They can tinker at the edges, but for every positive thing they aim to do there will be negative consequences for someone, often unforeseen. Nothing that they choose is cost-free.
Labour will take on a country in a dire situation, with institutions that are crumbling, a demographic timebomb set to explode and an economy in a precarious state.
Nobody wants to hear this though, do they.
Isn't this what Brexit was about?
Imagining ourselves into a better future. I'm sure if we all imagine really hard it'll work.
multitool
Guest
Yes. But which 13.
newfhouse
pleb
Not really, no. The trick, obviously, is to make the right changes. I’m pessimistic about them happening but your alternative of welcoming more of the same but with a red tinge doesn’t appeal at all.
Xipe Totec
Something nasty in the woodshed
What's the point of voting for a party that's openly committed to changing nothing? Vote for a pack of demonstrable liars and backstabbers who have pledged to continue the Tories' crusade of horrors, in the hope they're lying about that, too?
At least there's a sense in which the Tories are honest monsters.
At least there's a sense in which the Tories are honest monsters.
bobzmyunkle
Senior Member
Tool, as ever, presenting a 'cogent' argument for voting Labour.
theclaud
Reading around the chip
Well, no. But if you can't or won't imagine it, then it definitely won't happen.
