Starmer's vision quest

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multitool

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Definitely the most important take of the day 🙄

There are many takes to be taken from yesterday, but this is a thread about the current Labour leader, in which you posted many times about what "we could have had".

What "we could have had" was a man who called a terrorist group, who have murdered civilians in the street and paraded their corpses his "friends".

Thank god we didn't.
 

winjim

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There are many takes to be taken from yesterday, but this is a thread about the current Labour leader, in which you posted many times about what "we could have had".

What "we could have had" was a man who called a terrorist group, who have murdered civilians in the street and paraded their corpses his "friends".

Thank god we didn't.

It's a courtesy and an attempt to be inclusive. I've been at meetings where I've talked about 'our friends in haematology', 'our friends in the Manchester laboratory', 'our friends in dietetics', 'our friends in New Zealand'.

These people are not my friends, most of them I don't know and have never met but they're people I work with professionally and I extend them the courtesy of talking about them with respect when I discuss work which we are all involved in.

Plus he said at committee that he regretted that language anyway so it's not any sort of gotcha.

What I perceived yesterday though, was a Labour leader so afraid to be labelled antisemitic that he immediately put out a statement that was completely pro Israel and lacking in any subtlety or nuance regarding what is a tragic and complex situation all round. I think we, and the Palestinian people*, deserve better from our leaders.

ETA: *and the Israeli people quite frankly.
 
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albion

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In that situation one does. The history of it all comes later. Idiots are even celebrating deaths of their own.
Nothing good comes of it.
 
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There are many takes to be taken from yesterday, but this is a thread about the current Labour leader, in which you posted many times about what "we could have had".

What "we could have had" was a man who called a terrorist group, who have murdered civilians in the street and paraded their corpses his "friends".

Thank god we didn't.
Peace only comes with negotiations. Calling Hamas "friends" in that context seems to be the least that could be expected if any progress was ever to be made in the Middle East.
Trying to score cheap points does suit you though.
 

multitool

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Peace only comes with negotiations. Calling Hamas "friends" in that context seems to be the least that could be expected if any progress was ever to be made in the Middle East.
Trying to score cheap points does suit you though.

He also said that prescribing Hamas as a terrorist organisation was a mistake.

Anybody that knows anything about the Middle East knows that the primary people to be terrorised by Hamas are the Palestinians.

I don't buy the "friends" bullshît either. This isn't a business or academic meeting with a group of people with whom you are about to co-operate. He was talking about a group who terrorise their own people, throw gays off roofs, and yesterday paraded the corpses of dead Israeli citizens as trophies.
 
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winjim

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https://x.com/mikeysmith/status/1710922690192654772?s=20

"But Starmer isn't laying out his plans. We don't know what he stands for"

At a glance that's very short termist, regressive in terms of staffing as it rewards those who don't have other time commitments, and doesn't do anything to address capacity issues which are resulting from factors other than having too few staff.

We also already have evening and weekend clinics.
 
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multitool

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Yes this is all very socialist and not an appeal to populist nationalism at all.

Again, why should Labour allow the Tories to appropriate the national flag for themselves and their populism?

Your argument is as odd as when football reclaimed the St George Cross from racists.
 
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