Starmer's vision quest

[multitool]

And that's one reason why it might actually be necessary to question Israel's right to exist, or certainly its right to exist in its current ethno-nationalist form.

The whole point of Israel is to be, in some sense, an ethno-nationalist state. There is no point to having a multi-ethnic Israel because it ceases to be a Jewish state if Palestinians are granted equal status. Do we really need to get debating the need for a Jewish state?

This is why a two-state solution is imperative. The problem is that the power currently lies with extreme nationalists who want to push all Palestinians out of Israel and the West Bank, and probably make a settlement based on Gaza. Let's face it, they hold all the cards, hence desperate extremism taking hold in Gaza.

 

[multitool]

Here's Warsi on Starmer's speech. She gets it. The idiotic headless-chickens screaming outside the building don't:

https://x.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1719320736345514156?s=20

 

[C R]

The whole point of Israel is to be, in some sense, an ethno-nationalist state. There is no point to having a multi-ethnic Israel because it ceases to be a Jewish state if Palestinians are granted equal status. Do we really need to get debating the need for a Jewish state?

And you don't find that the least bit concerning? Why not a white dominated South Africa, then?

 

[winjim]

The UN General council resolution for a ceasefire passed. If the security council voted it would fail because US would veto it. The GC abstentions were mostly centred around the Jordanian proposition not clearly citing Hamas terror, not calling for the release of all hostages clearly enough, and not affirming Israel’s right to self-defence.

Starmer is, in effect, by-passing these issues by calling for a 'pause'. The ceasefire proposal is pointless because neither warring parties want it.

So why bring up Art 51 which explicitly mentions the security council?

 

[Deleted member 49]

Refusing to oppose a genocide,calling for a pause and not a ceasefire.Israel bombed the Jabalia refugee camp today killing over 100. Feck all to do with defence it's revenge.

View: https://twitter.com/FisherAndrew79/status/1719411691195134005?t=mkLRveGuSGvnPGcFRjkKRg&s=19

 

[Rusty Nails]

And you don't find that the least bit concerning? Why not a white dominated South Africa, then?

Is it just ethno nationalism in Israel that is concerning?

AIUI the muslim religion makes up between 90% and 95% of the population of most of Israel's neighbours, including Turkey.

How about the ethno nationalism of the peaceful Buddhists of Myanmar?

 

[Deleted member 49]

The UN General council resolution for a ceasefire passed. If the security council voted it would fail because US would veto it. The GC abstentions were mostly centred around the Jordanian proposition not clearly citing Hamas terror, not calling for the release of all hostages clearly enough, and not affirming Israel’s right to self-defence.

Starmer is, in effect, by-passing these issues by calling for a 'pause'. The ceasefire proposal is pointless because neither warring parties want it.

View: https://twitter.com/Raminho/status/1719385390086271164?t=3k0WEJ5HqZK5XAr2fiNE4Q&s=19

 

[multitool]

And you don't find that the least bit concerning? Why not a white dominated South Africa, then?

Because 6 million White South Africans weren't murdered 75 years ago, nor did they face endless persecution throughout history.

 

[C R]

Is it just ethno nationalism in Israel that is concerning?

AIUI the muslim religion makes up between 90% and 95% of the population of most of Israel's neighbours, including Turkey.

How about the ethno nationalism of the peaceful Buddhists of Myanmar?

Equally as bad.

 

[C R]

Because 6 million White South Africans weren't murdered 75 years ago, nor did they face endless persecution throughout history.

So I'm guessing you'll be campaigning for a national home for gypsies, and, of course, you'll be volunteering your property to make way for its establishment.

 

[multitool]

So I'm guessing you'll be campaigning for a national home for gypsies, and, of course, you'll be volunteering your property to make way for its establishment.

Hi Aurora

 

[C R]

Hi Aurora

Can you address the point?

 

[multitool]

Can you address the point?

I just did

 

[Rusty Nails]

Equally as bad.

I agree.

So it's not the ethno nationalism of Israel that sets it apart from other nations, but its actions?

 

[C R]

I agree.

So it's not the ethno nationalism of Israel that sets it apart from other nations, but its actions?

There is a fundamental difference between Israel and the countries you mentioned. Those countries have evolved through history to became what they are, whereas Israel has grown through a colonial process to displace the original population in a very short period of time, very much like the US did when growing west.

The idea of Palestine as a jewish homeland was based on a colonial mentality where the people in Palestine didn't matter, and the fiction that it was practically empty anyway (a land without people for a people without land). The Balfour declaration is just an expression of that colonial mindset, where European people could just do with Palestine as they pleased.

So, no, bad as the examples you gave are, Israel is more like the US was during its westward expansion apartheid South Africa.