Starmer's vision quest

[BoldonLad]

Stop banging on about Corbyn !
Although I actually agree with this.

Apologies, Mr Moderator

 

[Deleted member 49]

Not really. Right now I think they're spot-on, but the future is another country....

Worry about the now....who knows what's to come !

 

[theclaud]

As for Claud she's got lower standards than me...

 

[newfhouse]

labour Government can't be seen as a blank cheque-writer for the Unions.

You do know it’s real working people and not the unions that receive the pay rises, don’t you? Have you fallen for the right wing media’s fat cat union baron bollocks?

 

[theclaud]

Corbyn's mistake was to not understand that many of his traditional supporters backed Brexit (all be it without a clear idea of what it actually meant).

I think he quite obviously understood that perfectly well, which is one of the reasons he managed, with his position of honouring the referendum result, to increase Labour's vote share in 2017 more than any leader since Atlee. As leader he had to accept responsibility for Labour's disastrous Brexit position in the 2019 election, but it was not of his devising. Starmer, of course, was one of the main advocates of that catastrophic policy.

 

[Deleted member 49]

I think he quite obviously understood that perfectly well, which is one of the reasons he managed, with his position of honouring the referendum result, to increase Labour's vote share in 2017 more than any leader since Atlee. As leader he had to accept responsibility for Labour's disastrous Brexit position in the 2019 election, but it was not of his devising. Starmer, of course, was one of the main advocates of that catastrophic policy.

No matter how much spin is put on what a disaster of a leader Corbyn was.Labour paid the price for not honouring the referendum.The lies and smears were the icing on the cake.
Purely my view of course 🙄

 

[Deleted member 49]

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I hope your using plenty of sun tan cream in this weather 🙄

 

[theclaud]

No matter how much spin is put on what a disaster of a leader Corbyn was.Labour paid the price for not honouring the referendum.The lies and smears were the icing on the cake.
Purely my view of course 🙄

I respected Starmer's position on it when he was Shadow Brexit Tsar, or whatever the title was, because I thought it sensibly representative of a majority remain membership to have a pro-EU figure in that role, especially as Corbyn was inevitably going to be suspected of closet Brexiteering. Turns out it was worth about as much as anything else he claimed to stand for. I suppose the one hope left for a continued Starmer leadership is that his preparedness to misrepresent his intentions for political gain could theoretically give him the means to actually do something radically transformative should the Tory vote collapse to the extent that he ever gets the chance to form a government. This is an extreme form of wishful thinking, of course, but the point is that it wouldn't much matter what he believed, if he could be persuaded that it's expedient to do something that benefits ordinary people. See Andy Burnham for a more convincing illustration of the point.

 

[Deleted member 49]

See Andy Burnham for a more convincing illustration of the point.

You know how bad it is when you wish Burnham would feck being Mayor off and run for Leader 🙄

 

[jowwy]

You know how bad it is when you wish Burnham would feck being Mayor off and run for Leader 🙄

Even though labour are not looking for a new leader???

 

[Fab Foodie]

You do know it’s real working people and not the unions that receive the pay rises, don’t you? Have you fallen for the right wing media’s fat cat union baron bollocks?

Yes.
No.

 

[newfhouse]

Yes.
No.

Pleased to hear it.

 

[Deleted member 28]

Ah well this is where it all goes pear shaped, @fatfoolish is there spouting off about working class need this, that and the other (whilst buying a brand new house in Devon) then realising somebody has to pay for these 15% pay rises.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Pleased to hear it.

Do you, @Adam4868 and @theclaud believe that a future 'Winter of Discontent' is impossible under a Labour government?

 

[Deleted member 49]

Do you, @Adam4868 and @theclaud believe that a future 'Winter of Discontent' is impossible under a Labour government?

But we've a Tory government....when so many are going to struggle to feed,heat and home themselves what would you suggest ?