Starmer's vision quest

[Cirrus]

I am no fan of Starmer, having voted for Corbyn, but, Starmer’s task, at present, is to get a Labour Government elected, at the next GE. Keeping a low profile, whilst the current Government unravels, 1970’s style is excellent tactics, IMHO.

Never interrupt the enemy when they are making a mistake

 

[Deleted member 49]

I am no fan of Starmer, having voted for Corbyn, but, Starmer’s task, at present, is to get a Labour Government elected, at the next GE. Keeping a low profile, whilst the current Government unravels, 1970’s style is excellent tactics, IMHO.

That's about sums it up...keep your mouth shut,have nothing about you.Keep a low profile in a crisis.Fingers crossed that the Tories self destruct.Not good enough !
It's crazy ITV are having to question Labour like this....shows you how weak they are,unable to even answer the simplest of questions about supporting strikers !

View: https://twitter.com/GMB/status/1561954933917847553?t=SAbkY0Invq9Hy3J7KJf7cg&s=19

 

[Fab Foodie]

Assume Starmer heavily backs strikes and pay rises in the Public Sector. What happens then when he's PM and holding onto the ever thinning purse-strings? A labour Government can't be seen as a blank cheque-writer for the Unions. It's not the easiest of positions to be in....

 

[Deleted member 49]

Assume Starmer heavily backs strikes and pay rises in the Public Sector. What happens then when he's PM and holding onto the ever thinning purse-strings? A labour Government can't be seen as a blank cheque-writer for the Unions. It's not the easiest of positions to be in....

Im suprised you even wrote that....I mean seriously what's the point of Labour if it's not to try and defend workers.
Where do you get the blank cheque writer for Unions ?
"The party continues to rely heavily on trade union funding, with the latter contributing 58 per cent of the Labour’s donations and loans so far this year"
I'd say it's good that we've got the Unions doing his job at the moment !

 

[Fab Foodie]

Im suprised you even wrote that....I mean seriously what's the point of Labour if it's not to try and defend workers.
Where do you get the blank cheque writer for Unions ?
"The party continues to rely heavily on trade union funding, with the latter contributing 58 per cent of the Labour’s donations and loans so far this year"
I'd say it's good that we've got the Unions doing his job at the moment !

Because at sometime he will have to turn from poacher to gamekeeper and that will inevitably at some point with spiralling inflation involve a certain amount of public pay restraint. That's the real politik!

 

[theclaud]

Assume Starmer heavily backs strikes and pay rises in the Public Sector. What happens then when he's PM and holding onto the ever thinning purse-strings? A labour Government can't be seen as a blank cheque-writer for the Unions. It's not the easiest of positions to be in....

Heavily? A soupçon of support would go a long way right now - he doesn't need to start talking like Sharon Graham, he just needs to say something quite boringly moderate and fair that's in line with what almost everyone thinks, such as that he backs workers in their calls for fair pay as they face this unprecedented crisis, and that he'll support good faith negotiations to this end.

And there are no ever-thinning purse strings - this Thatcherite myth needs kicking into touch. He's already promised to keystroke billions into existence to bail out the energy companies.

 

[Deleted member 49]

Because at sometime he will have to turn from poacher to gamekeeper and that will inevitably at some point with spiralling inflation involve a certain amount of public pay restraint. That's the real politik!

Talk about crystal balls ffs ....were dealing with a crisis now ! There's money to be had,just not in the right places.
I've no time for the "we can't afford it bollox"

 

[Fab Foodie]

Talk a out crystal balls ffs ....were dealing with a crisis now ! There's money to be had,just not in the right places.
I've no time for the "we can't afford it bollox"

I never said we can't afford it. And I completely concur that money is not where it needs to be.
But one of the big concerns of many UK voters is that the Unions will have a Labour party over a barrel with respect to unfettered pay rises, and this concern will be heightened if Starmer is gung-ho with his support for the Unions. Furthermore, the Tories will use this as a stick to beat Labour with.
I'm surprised you can't see this?
As Claudine says, he could do more, no doubt, but he has to be careful that he doesn't sow seeds that will come back to haunt a future Labour government with unrealistic pay requests and continuous industrial action - we've been there before and it nobody any good....

 

[jowwy]

fark me, fat foodie has made 3 posts in a row, with no mention of having me on ignore…….has his account been hacked???

 

[Deleted member 49]

But one of the big concerns of many UK voters is that the Unions will have a Labour party over a barrel with respect to unfettered pay rises

Disagree...is say it's trying to afford just to get by.

Furthermore, the Tories will use this as a stick to beat Labour with.

There's plenty of time for them to find that stick...and they will !
As for Claud she's got lower standards than me.... we'll agree to disagree.Im greedy I want much more 😁

 

[BoldonLad]

I never said we can't afford it. And I completely concur that money is not where it needs to be.
But one of the big concerns of many UK voters is that the Unions will have a Labour party over a barrel with respect to unfettered pay rises, and this concern will be heightened if Starmer is gung-ho with his support for the Unions. Furthermore, the Tories will use this as a stick to beat Labour with.
I'm surprised you can't see this?
As Claudine says, he could do more, no doubt, but he has to be careful that he doesn't sow seeds that will come back to haunt a future Labour government with unrealistic pay requests and continuous industrial action - we've been there before and it nobody any good....

Exactly this. Which is why I said the tactic of saying little, or nothing, and waiting for the implosion was a sound tactic. Actually, it is not unlike Corbyn's tactic on Brexit, he said very little, either for or against, allowed Cameron to lose his shirt and his Job. IMHO, Corbyn's mistake was to not understand that many of his traditional supporters backed Brexit (all be it without a clear idea of what it actually meant).

 

[Fab Foodie]

Disagree...is say it's trying to afford just to get by.

There's plenty of time for them to find that stick...and they will !
As for Claud she's got lower standards than me.... we'll agree to disagree.Im greedy I want much more 😁

What we don't want is greedy unions when Labour is in power! Reasonable yes, greedy, no...how we set those boundaries is a different matter!

 

[Deleted member 49]

What we don't want is greedy unions when Labour is in power! Reasonable yes, greedy, no...how we set those boundaries is a different matter!

Greedy unions ! We're miles apart on this Foodie 🙄

 

[Deleted member 49]

Corbyn's mistake was to not understand that many of his traditional supporters backed Brexit (all be it without a clear idea of what it actually meant).

Stop banging on about Corbyn !
Although I actually agree with this.

 

[Fab Foodie]

Greedy unions ! We're miles apart on this Foodie 🙄

Not really. Right now I think they're spot-on, but the future is another country....